[Taxacom] Collections and APG

Peter Stevens peter.stevens at mobot.org
Tue Nov 13 09:41:17 CST 2007


as i mentioned some time ago when a similar subject came up, if the  
herbarium is of any size, then having an alphabetical arrangement is  
very difficult for teaching.  And an alphabetical arrangement is very  
difficult for learning by osmosis as one inserts and generally works  
with the collection. And even with an alphabetical arrangement one  
has to make a decision about the families that will be accepted...

There is the Haston et al. paper, the next version of Mabberley will  
be basically APG, and I believe a complete listing of genera and the  
APG families to which they are to be placed will be available soon,  
so the problem of assigning genera to families is slowly going away.

P.


On Nov 12, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Alina Freire-Fierro wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> In our case (PH herbarium, ~ 1,5 million specimens) and in other cases
> (other large herbaria in the US and Latin America) have followed  
> the more
> than 100-year old Englerian system (in which angiosperms and  
> gymnosperms
> numbered 1 through 280).
>
> We try to update our collection as much as we can with the one from  
> the APG.
> But it can not be so easy, because sometimes I do not know to which  
> APG
> family assign a particular genus (so far we have been using the  
> 1997 edition
> of Mabberley's Plant Book).
>
> On the other hand, there is this publication that came in the  
> February's
> issue of Taxon:
>
> Haston, Elspeth; Richardson, James E.; Stevens, Peter F.; Chase,  
> Mark W.;
> Harris, David J. 2007. A linear sequence of Angiosperm Phylogeny  
> Group II
> families. Taxon 56 (1): 7-12, E12-E6(6).
>
> In it, the authors present the 479 families (only angiosperms) in a  
> linear
> fashion, but closely reflecting the APG II.
>
>
> So, it would also be interesting to know which herbaria have  
> completely
> switched from an alphabetical to a systematic system, and which  
> herbaria
> have switched the other way around? And how much time/people was  
> involved
> into that?
>
> Best,
>
> Alina.
>
>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:36:55 -0000
>> From: "Anthony Pigott" <Anthony.Pigott at btinternet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Practical Taxon Concept Software
>> To: "Adorian Ardelean" <ardelean at aquaecology.de>, "Gael Lancelot"
>> <lancelot at mnhn.fr>
>> Cc: Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
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>> Thanks To Gael and Adorian for your help / advice.
>>
>> Adorian - I think you've very accurately described what I'm  
>> looking for and
>> what many of the issues are.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Anthony
>>   -----Original Message-----
>>   From: Adorian Ardelean [mailto:ardelean at aquaecology.de]
>>   Sent: 29 October 2007 10:39
>>   To: Gael Lancelot; Anthony Pigott
>>   Cc: Taxacom
>>   Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Practical Taxon Concept Software
>>
>>
>>   Dear Lancelot,
>>
>>   From my interpretation, Anthony needs to build/explore several  
>> custom and
>> concurrent (perhaps even ad-hoc) scenarios on what is Dryopteris  
>> affinis (in
>> a neutral fashion). This is highly related with published record  
>> (e.g.
>> monographies, revisional work, in general taxonomic literature) .
>>
>>   Indeed the results in the search suggested by you may include  
>> several
>> taxonomic concepts, but tracing what taxonomic concept was used when
>> labeling specimens stops at data source specimen/its label/ or in  
>> the best
>> case its citation in literature. It does not return a whole taxon  
>> concept
>> with lists of related names and relations among them. I guess, for  
>> some of
>> the records the use of LSIDs, RDF and semantic web may be useful  
>> for tracing
>> the applied taxon concept, but I am not sure how much development is
>> currently put into this.
>>
>>   As I see things now, there are two directions on how this may be
>> approached: simple synonymy lists and laborious chresonymy. In first
>> instance, it would be wonderful if GBIF for example or other similar
>> projects will produce filters for selecting occurrence data allowing
>> alternative views (taxon concepts in form of synonym lists) or,  
>> why not,
>> even user suggested views. I guess this is  easily achievable if a  
>> standard
>> is developed and various international resources serve their  
>> synonym lists
>> for further use. However, this may not solve Anthony's issue because
>> although all labels on specimens say D. affinis behind may be  
>> different
>> taxon concepts (we could have specimens collected in at least 200  
>> years!)
>> and this can be solved mainly by tracing literature and citation of
>> specimens in literature (more related to chresonymy). This is a quite
>> difficult and laborious task that can be actually passed partially  
>> to user
>> side (if we speak about a limited number of records), or to taxon  
>> focused
>> projects. In myNature project (http://mybiosis.org) for example we  
>> will ask
>> users to specify what guide, key, publication was used when ID was  
>> given -
>> this included in metadata of record may help later deciding on  
>> what taxon
>> concept was applied. Aside from this discussion, I see regional  
>> biodiversity
>> focused projects enormously benefiting from such developments.
>>
>>   All the best,
>>   Adorian
>>
>>
>>   At 09:59 29.10.2007, Gael Lancelot wrote:
>>
>>     This might not be exactly what you're looking for, but GBIF  
>> (Global
>>     Biodiversity Information Facility) connects together a large  
>> number of
>>     specimen and observation databases, and keeps record of the  
>> taxonomy
>>     used in each. You can consult these taxonomies for Dryopteris  
>> affinis
>>     at this link:
>>
>> http://data.gbif.org/species/search.htm?c[0].s=0&c[0].p=0&c 
>> [0].o=Dryopteris%
>> 20affinis&c[1].s=9&c[1].p=0&c[1].o=7000
>>
>>     More general information to be had at http://data.gbif.org .
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>
>>     G. Lancelot
>>
>>> Thanks for the responses. I'll try to be a bit more specific. I'd  
>>> like
>> to be
>>> able to record and organise the various names that taxa have been
>> given in
>>> different treatments so that I can in due course produce a  
>>> 'preferred
>>> taxonomy with synonymy, etc., as traditionally done in a  
>>> monograph, I
>>> suppose, but also to be able to compare and demonstrate alternative
>>> treatments in a neutral way.  The immediate target is the Dryopteris
>> affinis
>>> complex in the ferns, which is a  particularly nomenclaturally- 
>>> tangled
>>> asexual species complex in which most taxa have been given a  
>>> wealth of
>> names
>>> at various levels and with various circumscriptions. I thought it
>> would be
>>> useful way to approach it especially as I'm interested in the  
>>> idea of
>>> databases holding multiple taxonomies (alternative treatments)  
>>> rather
>> than
>>> the more traditional method of just holding one preferred view with
>>> synonymy.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>>>> [ mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]On Behalf Of Roger Hyam
>>>> Sent: 28 October 2007 20:52
>>>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>>>> Subject: [Taxacom] Practical Taxon Concept Software
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anthony,
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested to know your requirements a little better. Why do
>>>> you want to track the taxonomies? Are you creating a monograph or
>>>> flora/fauna or do you need it to accurately integrate ecological or
>>>> other studies?
>>>>
>>>> The chances are you don't just want Taxon Concept software but want
>>>> software to do something "useful" that just happens to handle Taxon
>>>> Concepts data correctly.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 28 Oct 2007, at 17:00, taxacom-request at mailman.nhm.ku.edu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:03:14 -0000
>>>>> From: "Anthony Pigott" <Anthony.Pigott at btinternet.com>
>>>>> Subject: [Taxacom] Practical Taxon Concept Software
>>>>> To: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
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>>>>>     <DCEFIBBAOPBHLHBNBDGHGEKAKAAA.Anthony.Pigott at btinternet.com>
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>>>>> Does anyone have experience of the practical use of software
>>>>> supporting the
>>>>> creation and use of a database for recording multiple taxonomies,
>>>>> i.e. taxon
>>>>> concepts, publication-based, etc.?  I've tried a few of the
>>>>> examples that
>>>>> various people have built and made available for download but so
>>>>> far I've
>>>>> not found anything that works sufficiently well (or at all,
>>>>> sometimes) for
>>>>> practical use. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anthony
>>>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:41:57 -0000
>> From: "Anthony Pigott" <Anthony.Pigott at btinternet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Practical Taxon Concept Software
>> To: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> Message-ID:
>> <DCEFIBBAOPBHLHBNBDGHMEENKCAA.Anthony.Pigott at btinternet.com>
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>> Thanks to everyone for all the responses, both on and off this  
>> list. I think
>> I've responded to everyone but if not , apologies and thanks again.
>>
>> I've got a number of new leads to follow.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>>> [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]On Behalf Of Anthony  
>>> Pigott
>>> Sent: 28 October 2007 10:03
>>> To: Taxacom
>>> Subject: [Taxacom] Practical Taxon Concept Software
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience of the practical use of software
>>> supporting the
>>> creation and use of a database for recording multiple taxonomies,
>>> i.e. taxon
>>> concepts, publication-based, etc.?  I've tried a few of the  
>>> examples that
>>> various people have built and made available for download but so  
>>> far I've
>>> not found anything that works sufficiently well (or at all,  
>>> sometimes) for
>>> practical use. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:12:56 -0300
>> From: "Tati Konno" <tkonno at uol.com.br>
>> Subject: [Taxacom] COllections and APG
>> To: <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> Message-ID: <20071112171421.9BDBD457 at socom1.uol.com.br>
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>> Dear Taxacomers
>>
>> I?m organizing a botanical collection for local reference and I  
>> came across
>> an interesting issue. What classification system should I use? APG  
>> is in
>> constant move and seems to be not so practical to manage.
>>
>> So I would like to ask, especially to curators:
>>
>> What system do you apply in your collection?
>>
>> Do you think that a collection should be organized in order to  
>> reflect a
>> system?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>
>> TK
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:36:05 -0500
>> From: "Thomas G. Lammers" <lammers at uwosh.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] COllections and APG
>> To: Tati Konno <tkonno at uol.com.br>, taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20071112123304.01be6ec0 at mail.uwosh.edu>
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>> At 01:12 PM 11/12/2007, Tati Konno wrote:
>>> Do you think that a collection should be organized in order to  
>>> reflect a
>>> system?
>>
>> No.  Two reasons:
>>
>> (1) Practicality.  Nothing beats the alphabet, especially if your  
>> filers
>> aren't Ph.D. systematists.  An alphabetical arrangement disposes  
>> of the
>> need for guide sheets, numbering the families, etc.
>>
>> (2) Misleading about evolution.  We know that evolution is a  
>> branching (and
>> reticulating) process; it is misleading to distort that reality  
>> into a
>> linear sequence.  Conjures up bad misconceptions about the
>> "progressiveness" of evolution, Scala Naturae, etc.
>> Thomas G. Lammers, Ph.D.
>>
>> Associate Professor and Curator of the Herbarium (OSH)
>> Department of Biology and Microbiology
>> University of Wisconsin Oshkosh
>> Oshkosh, Wisconsin 54901-8640 USA
>>
>> e-mail:       lammers at uwosh.edu
>> phone:      920-424-1002
>> fax:           920-424-1101
>>
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>> biogeography of the Campanulaceae s. lat.
>>
>> Webpages:
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>> http://www.uwosh.edu/departments/biology/herbarium/herbarium.html
>> http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=297234
>> http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Resort/7156/lammers.html
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