[Taxacom] RES: Dendrogrammaceae
tkonno at uol.com.br
Mon Nov 10 14:36:07 CST 2008
De: Redhead, Scott [mailto:REDHEADS at AGR.GC.CA]
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 10 de novembro de 2008 17:33
Para: Tatiana Konno; TAXACOM
Assunto: RE: [Taxacom] Dendrogrammaceae
A Comparison of Branching Diagrams Derived by Various Phenetic and Cladistic
Thomas Duncan, Raymond B. Phillips and Warren H. Wagner Jr.
Systematic Botany, Vol. 5, No. 3 (Jul. - Sep., 1980), pp. 264-293
From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
[mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Tatiana Konno
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: [Taxacom] Dendrogrammaceae
I´m trying to locate where, when and who (I think it is Wagner) published or
presented the fictitious group Dendrogrammaceae.
Does anyone can send me a pdf of the original?
Tatiana Ungaretti Paleo Konno
Grupo de Sistemática e Biologia Evolutiva
Núcleo em Ecologia e Desenvolvimento Sócio-Ambiental de Macaé
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De: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
[mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] Em nome de Richard Pyle
Enviada em: sábado, 8 de novembro de 2008 02:58
Para: 'Jim Croft'
Assunto: Re: [Taxacom] dissapearing data
I agree with everything you wrote below.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Croft [mailto:jim.croft at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:28 PM
> To: Richard Pyle
> Cc: TAXACOM
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] dissapearing data
> There is no doubt in my mind that electrons will win - no
> doubt at all. But our challenge is to make sure the victory
> happens on our terms. And that the bloody internet bear does
> not catch and eat anything we might want to go back and check.
> Doug Yanega took me to task about this off-line as well and I
> was lamenting that we have no technology independent
> electronic equivalent of the Rosetta Stone that we will be
> able to rely on for millenia (or even dare I say, decades).
> Increasingly our media are becoming more and more fragile and
> evanescent as our knowledge base gets condemned to the
> transience of the web 3.0 blogosphere... it is at once very
> exciting and very frightening... I would not want to be part
> of the community that lost Dioscorides or Linneaus for
> humanity... or the protologue and typification of (name the
> organism of your choice)...
> It is interesting to think about knowledge and how it is
> created, transmitted and maintained. Documented science is
> only a few millenia
> old (with that embarassing blot of the Dark Ages in the middle). And
> think of modern attempts of regimes and education systems to
> obliterate what we would consider knowledge. Consider also
> the indigenous inhabitants of this continent who managed
> knowledge by talking, singing and dancing about it. Not an
> archive to be seen and nothing 'permanent' at all - but they
> lived with and off the biodiversity of one of the most
> inhospitable continents for 40-50
> millenia. The story may not always be biologically accurate, but
> hey, it is no worse than a barge with a bunch of animals
> floating around Mesopotamia for a month and a half.
> From where I sit, the only way to preserve the electronic
> data/information/knowledge we are generating now, is to keep
> it permanently in play, moving from one platform to another
> and hopefully
> not losing (or gaining?) anything in the process. There is no such
> thing as an electronic archive in the traditional sense of archive.
> If you put it away it will be unusable and effectively gone
> within a decade. We all have horror stories of unreadable
> tapes and floppy disks, etc.
> Yes, knowledge on the Internet may well become the new
> DreamTimeStory (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamtime)
> where the Internet is the Spirit of Knowledge that is told
> and retold by the learned elders, and one day not even the
> elders will be required as one computer tells another, which
> tells another, which... hang on - I think I have seen that movie...
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Richard Pyle
> <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org> wrote:
> >> With the major push towards electronic-only publishing of the
> >> business and data of taxonomy, persistence of our resources and
> >> results would have to be one of our biggest challenges.
> >> And by persistence I mean *always and forever* being able
> to find the
> >> thing by the same route/URI.
> > There's an old joke that keeps coming back in the context of
> > conversations such as these:
> > Two guys walking in the woods, and a big nasty bear starts
> charging them.
> > One guy gets ready to bolt, and the other guy sits down and puts on
> > his running shoes. The first guy says, "Are you crazy??
> You'll never
> > out-run that bear!" The second guy says, "I don't have to
> out-run the
> > bear; I only have to out-run YOU."
> > There's a similar joke involving two divers, a knife, and a
> really big
> > shark.
> > The point is this: Electronically-archived taxonomic acts
> do not need
> > to last "always and forever"; they only need to last (and be
> > accessible) as well as, or better than, the average paper-based
> > publication. Looking at my book shelf, I (unfortunately)
> do not see an original copy of Linnaeus, 1758.
> > A quick jaunt to BHL via my web browser, though.....
> > So maybe this is just a quirky anomaly of this moment in history --
> > fair enough. We won't really know for sure until another 250 years
> > from now which of the two versions of the description of Chromis
> > abyssus is more easily accessed (one of the paper copies,
> or the electronic version).
> > I honestly don't know which technology will win (paper or
> > The electron-based solution surely seems to have the edge
> in terms of
> > *potential* for a better future (at least for anyone born
> after about
> > 1967
> > -- i.e., those who had the opportunity to grow up with
> computers from
> > a reasonably early age), but it lacks a signficant track record.
> > Sort of parallels the arguments made concerning the new
> > president-elect of our country. If the analogy runs any
> deeper than
> > this, then my money is definitely on the elections!
> > Errr..I mean electrons.....
> > Aloha,
> > Rich
> > Richard L. Pyle, PhD
> > Database Coordinator for Natural Sciences and Associate
> Zoologist in
> > Ichthyology Department of Natural Sciences, Bishop Museum
> > 1525 Bernice St., Honolulu, HI 96817
> > Ph: (808)848-4115, Fax: (808)847-8252
> > email: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
> > http://hbs.bishopmuseum.org/staff/pylerichard.html
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> - Joseph Conrad, author (1857-1924)
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