[Taxacom] RES: Dendrogrammaceae

Tatiana Konno tkonno at uol.com.br
Mon Nov 10 14:36:07 CST 2008



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De: Redhead, Scott [mailto:REDHEADS at AGR.GC.CA] 
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 10 de novembro de 2008 17:33
Para: Tatiana Konno; TAXACOM
Assunto: RE: [Taxacom] Dendrogrammaceae

A Comparison of Branching Diagrams Derived by Various Phenetic and Cladistic
Thomas Duncan, Raymond B. Phillips and Warren H. Wagner Jr. 
Systematic Botany, Vol. 5, No. 3 (Jul. - Sep., 1980), pp. 264-293

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[mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Tatiana Konno
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: [Taxacom] Dendrogrammaceae

Dear all,

I´m trying to locate where, when and who (I think it is Wagner) published or
presented the fictitious group Dendrogrammaceae.
Does anyone can send me a pdf of the original?

Tatiana Konno

Tatiana Ungaretti Paleo Konno
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[mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] Em nome de Richard Pyle
Enviada em: sábado, 8 de novembro de 2008 02:58
Para: 'Jim Croft'
Assunto: Re: [Taxacom] dissapearing data

I agree with everything you wrote below.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Croft [mailto:jim.croft at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:28 PM
> To: Richard Pyle
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] dissapearing data
> There is no doubt in my mind that electrons will win - no 
> doubt at all.  But our challenge is to make sure the victory 
> happens on our terms.  And that the bloody internet bear does 
> not catch and eat anything we might want to go back and check.
> Doug Yanega took me to task about this off-line as well and I 
> was lamenting that we have no technology independent 
> electronic equivalent of the Rosetta Stone that we will be 
> able to rely on for millenia (or even dare I say, decades).  
> Increasingly our media are becoming more and more fragile and 
> evanescent as our knowledge base gets condemned to the 
> transience of the web 3.0 blogosphere...  it is at once very 
> exciting and very frightening...  I would not want to be part 
> of the community that lost Dioscorides or Linneaus for 
> humanity... or the protologue and typification of (name the 
> organism of your choice)...
> It is interesting to think about knowledge and how it is 
> created, transmitted and maintained.  Documented science is 
> only a few millenia
> old (with that embarassing blot of the Dark Ages in the middle).   And
> think of modern attempts of regimes and education systems to 
> obliterate what we would consider knowledge.  Consider also 
> the indigenous inhabitants of this continent who managed 
> knowledge by talking, singing and dancing about it.  Not an 
> archive to be seen and nothing 'permanent' at all - but they 
> lived with and off the biodiversity of one of the most 
> inhospitable continents for 40-50
> millenia.   The story may not always be biologically accurate, but
> hey, it is no worse than a barge with a bunch of animals 
> floating around Mesopotamia for a month and a half.
> From where I sit, the only way to preserve the electronic 
> data/information/knowledge we are generating now, is to keep 
> it permanently in play, moving from one platform to another 
> and hopefully
> not losing (or gaining?) anything in the process.   There is no such
> thing as an electronic archive in the traditional sense of archive.
> If you put it away it will be unusable and effectively gone 
> within a decade.  We all have horror stories of unreadable 
> tapes and floppy disks, etc.
> Yes, knowledge on the Internet may well become the new 
> DreamTimeStory (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamtime) 
> where the Internet is the Spirit of Knowledge that is told 
> and retold by the learned elders, and one day not even the 
> elders will be required as one computer tells another, which 
> tells another, which...  hang on - I think I have seen that movie...
> jim
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Richard Pyle 
> <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org> wrote:
> >> With the major push towards electronic-only publishing of the 
> >> business and data of taxonomy, persistence of our resources and 
> >> results would have to be one of our biggest challenges.
> >> And by persistence I mean *always and forever* being able 
> to find the 
> >> thing by the same route/URI.
> >
> > There's an old joke that keeps coming back in the context of 
> > conversations such as these:
> >
> > Two guys walking in the woods, and a big nasty bear starts 
> charging them.
> > One guy gets ready to bolt, and the other guy sits down and puts on 
> > his running shoes. The first guy says, "Are you crazy?? 
> You'll never 
> > out-run that bear!"  The second guy says, "I don't have to 
> out-run the 
> > bear; I only have to out-run YOU."
> >
> > There's a similar joke involving two divers, a knife, and a 
> really big 
> > shark.
> >
> > The point is this:  Electronically-archived taxonomic acts 
> do not need 
> > to last "always and forever"; they only need to last (and be 
> > accessible) as well as, or better than, the average paper-based 
> > publication.  Looking at my book shelf, I (unfortunately) 
> do not see an original copy of Linnaeus, 1758.
> > A quick jaunt to BHL via my web browser, though.....
> >
> > So maybe this is just a quirky anomaly of this moment in history -- 
> > fair enough.  We won't really know for sure until another 250 years 
> > from now which of the two versions of the description of Chromis 
> > abyssus is more easily accessed (one of the paper copies, 
> or the electronic version).
> >
> > I honestly don't know which technology will win (paper or 
> electrons).  
> > The electron-based solution surely seems to have the edge 
> in terms of
> > *potential* for a better future (at least for anyone born 
> after about 
> > 1967
> > -- i.e., those who had the opportunity to grow up with 
> computers from 
> > a reasonably early age), but it lacks a signficant track record.
> >
> > Sort of parallels the arguments made concerning the new 
> > president-elect of our country.  If the analogy runs any 
> deeper than 
> > this, then my money is definitely on the elections!
> >
> > Errr..I mean electrons.....
> >
> > Aloha,
> > Rich
> >
> > Richard L. Pyle, PhD
> > Database Coordinator for Natural Sciences  and Associate 
> Zoologist in 
> > Ichthyology Department of Natural Sciences, Bishop Museum
> > 1525 Bernice St., Honolulu, HI 96817
> > Ph: (808)848-4115, Fax: (808)847-8252
> > email: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
> > http://hbs.bishopmuseum.org/staff/pylerichard.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
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