[Taxacom] real molecular data

John Grehan jgrehan at sciencebuff.org
Thu Nov 13 14:51:52 CST 2008

Just an added point on this. Prasad made similar comments about the
relative informativeness of his data for the hominoid clades, but he
could not come up with an example of a solid study when I asked.

Anyway, my point was that his data did support a human-chimp, and human
African clade, but this was only with a small outgroup representation as
so suffers the same failing present in most (all?) other molecular
studies on the phylogeny of large bodied hominoids.

John Grehan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-
> bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Karl Magnacca
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:49 PM
> To: TAXACOM at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] real molecular data
> On Thu, November 13, 2008 5:39 pm, John Grehan wrote:
> > OK - just to prove I am nuts, I scanned every one of 21,507 sequence
> > positions for coding data in the Prasad et al 2008 study (Confirming
> > phylogeny of mammals by use of large comparative sequence data sets
> > Biol. Evol. 25: 1795-1808). The coding sequences produced (by
> > analysis) a human-chimpanzee clade followed by gorilla and
> You are nuts.  You're looking at a dataset that was chosen to look at
> ordinal-level relationships.  Any sequence that would provide
> significant numbers of synapomorphies for human-orangutan (whatever
> relationship is) would be useless at the level they're looking at.
> That's why the human-chimp-gorilla clade they showed had no support.
> Karl
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