[Taxacom] RES: what counts
Vitor Fernandes de Miranda
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Wed Sep 17 07:56:29 CDT 2008
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> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-
> bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] Em nome de Pierre Deleporte
> Enviada em: quarta-feira, 17 de setembro de 2008 07:42
> Para: John Grehan
> Cc: TAXACOM
> Assunto: Re: [Taxacom] what counts
> Pogue M. G. and Mickevich M. F. 1990.
> Character definitions and character state delineation: the Bete Noire of
> phylogenetic inference
> Cladistics 6, 319-362.
> John Grehan a écrit :
> > With regard to the recent discussion about homoplasy etc, I find in
> > practice that much of the problem can lie with the original delineation
> > of characters. I have mentioned in hominid systematics how so much of it
> > is sloppy, being poorly documented if at all (and often without holotype
> > access), but here is an illustrative example from primate systematics.
> > A recent paper by Bajpai et al (2008) (The oldest Asian record of
> > Anthropoidea, PNAS 105, 11093-11098) purports to have discovered the
> > oldest anthropoid fossil, but represented by three teeth. So one would
> > expect to see a list of one or more apomorphies that corroborate these
> > teeth conforming to the anthropoid clade. But there was none that I
> > could find. In addition I could not even find reference to primate
> > characters let alone anthropoid. Also, I could not find any reference to
> > outgroup comparisons for confirming that their ingroup character states
> > were unique to the ingroup. Yet they published a phylogenetic analysis
> > with a lot of characters in one of the most prestigious journals in the
> > US. So am I missing something? Am I just stupid? Any comment?
> > John
> > Dr. John R. Grehan
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