[Taxacom] Cadetia kutubu

Paul Kirk p.kirk at cabi.org
Fri Sep 26 02:24:45 CDT 2008

It would be both nomenclaturally and taxonomically irresponsible to
publish another name for this taxon without examining the type and
reaching the (presumably) same conclusion that the person(s) who
originally proposed the name reached - that the taxon was undescribed
and worthy of a name at the rank of species. Nomeclature is, and always
has been, a servant of taxonomy. The ICBN aim at the provision of a
stable method of naming taxonomic groups, avoiding and rejecting the use
of names that may cause ambiguity or throw science into confusion ...
(the Preamble to the Code). To publish a different name for this taxon
would do just that. The taxon (if it is new) has a name already,
presumably there are other data about it that 'we' are unaware of, is it
relevant in the 21st century that the name complies with the regulations
in some document first written at the end of the 19th century?


-----Original Message-----
From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
[mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Mario Blanco
Sent: 26 September 2008 07:55
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Cadetia kutubu

This species might been published already, even if IPNI or TROPICOS  do
not cite it.  Neither IPNI nor TROPICOS incorporate validly published
names immediately; it takes them a while (up to a few months in some
cases) to pick up names in the literature. 

To name it as something else and make the name Cadetia kutubu
illegitimate (which, by the way, its is not the same as invalid,
according to the ICBN, although both are illegal names from a strictly
nomenclatural viewpoint), you would need to publish a different name
designating the same specimen as the type before C. kutubu is
effectively published in print.

But, do you really want to do this just because you can? (assuming it
has not been published already). What's the point? Rushing to kill the
name seems a little bit ill -intentioned to me.


Geoff Read wrote:
> In zoology this name would hopefully qualify as a temporary reference
(Art 1.3), and thus would be excluded from consideration by the ICZN
> If not it wouldn't be a nomen nudum anyway as web doesn't qualify as
> But if it was me making the decision, I'd want to name it something
else now, just to kill the connection in Google to the press release and
news reports. 
> Geoff
>>>> On 25/09/2008 at 10:46 a.m., "Jim Croft" <jim.croft at gmail.com>
>> It is not in IPNI, but all over the web.   It could nomem nudum in
>> service of publicity.  If so I will bet it is not the first time this

>> has happened.
>> Perhaps the ICBN needs a new class of name, the nomen nuncium, the 
>> nomen famum or the nomen medium  :)
>> jim
>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Arthur Chapman
<taxacom3 at achapman.org> wrote:
>>> Robert
>>> I would contact Wayne Harris at the Queensland Herbarium
>>> See also article in WWF Newsletter
>> http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/forests/news/successes/inde
>> x.cfm?uN
>> ewsID=83360
>>> regards
>>> Arthur D. Chapman
>>> Toowoomba, Australia
>>> Robert Lipkin wrote:
>>>> Is anyone familiar with a recently described species of Cadetia 
>>>> from New Guinea, C. Kutubu? I have seen reference to it, but have 
>>>> not been able to locate where it was published and who the author 
>>>> is. Any details would be greatly appreciated.
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