[Taxacom] hominid evidence

Frederick W. Schueler bckcdb at istar.ca
Tue Jun 30 11:01:37 CDT 2009

John Grehan wrote:
> Fred is right in anticipating other misfits. They often get downplayed
> because other parts fit and that is enough. I've sometimes thought about
> compiling examples, but never have the time. In hominid origins there
> have been some molecular trees supporting humans and chimpanzees, but
> then have incongruous results for other primate taxa, and some that are
> congruent for primate taxa, but incongruent for other mammals.

* and I'm talking about situations where those familiar with the taxa 
are sincerely puzzled, not just one short DNA sequence that shows that 
Rabbits are the sister group of Turtles.


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-
>> bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Frederick W. Schueler
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:27 AM
>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] hominid evidence
>> John Grehan wrote:
>>> The great thing about publicity is that it can force people to
> respond
>>> when they otherwise whould not have to. The MSNBC article shows that
> at
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31624027/ns/technology_and_science
>>> "The DNA evidence <http://www.livescience.com/dna/>  is so strongly
>>> against it," said Frans de Waal, director of the Living Links Center
> at
>>> the Yerkes National Primate Research Center of Emory University in
>>> Atlanta. "It's a leftover from the days that bones ruled, but they
> don't
>>> anymore."
>> * I think what this debate lacks is a pattern, or track, into which
> the
>> Pan/Homo/Pongo genetics/morphology disparity can be fit.
>> Surely, Taxacomers, are there other cases where genetic and
>> morphological phylogenies are puzzlingly disparate. If these were to
> be
>> sent to John, he/we could see if there's a pattern into which the
>> hominid situation fits. It would be indecently un-Copernican to assert
>> that there's a unique disparity between genetics and morphology in our
>> own recent ancestry.
>> fred.
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