[Taxacom] More precise sound bite

Dick Jensen rjensen at saintmarys.edu
Fri Mar 27 12:08:19 CDT 2009

I hardly think the comparison (cladistics and holocaust) is appropriate or appreciated. Please refrain from such insensitive hyperbole. 

Let me ask, what, besides cladistics, is phylocode linked to?  Phenetics?  Evolutionary systematics? 

Dick J 

Richard Jensen, Professor
Department of Biology
Saint Mary's College
Notre Dame, IN 46556

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----- Original Message -----
From: John Grehan <jgrehan at sciencebuff.org>
To: Kenneth Kinman <kennethkinman at webtv.net>
Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Sent: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:54:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] More precise sound bite


I am very accommodating to our different perspectives, but when you
persist in linking cladistics with the Phylocode you are taking too much
liberty with reality. To make such claims is like claiming there was no

John Grehan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenneth Kinman [mailto:kennethkinman at webtv.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:51 PM
> To: John Grehan
> Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: RE: [Taxacom] More precise sound bite
> John and Ronaldo,
>        Yes, you could say that cladism is a method.  As a method of
> analysis (phylogenetic analysis), I have no huge problems with it.  As
> method of classification (cladification), it does cause problems when
> is carried to excess (no paraphyletic taxa allowed).  I sometimes
> to call myself a cladisto-eclecticist, since many eclecticists think
> "cladist" as a pejorative term (those guys that simplistically convert
> their phylogenetic analyses into cladifications).
>        As for being rather obsessed with this problem, I guess I'm
> guilty as charged.  Obsessed with a return to more common sense and
> balance in classifications.  I just wish more people had been obsessed
> with blowing the whistle on financial derivatives which undermined the
> stability of our financial system.  Unfortunately, I don't think
> cladists really realize how they are slowly undermining our
> classification system (although the adoption of PhyloCode will no
> then make it glaringly apparent to all).
>        ----------Ken Kinman


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