[Taxacom] Monkey Community greatly relieved

Stephen Thorpe s.thorpe at auckland.ac.nz
Wed Jan 13 14:54:05 CST 2010


The fact that some people abuse religion and use it for their own ends isn't an argument against religion, just as it isn't an argument against science that some scientists use it merely as a vehicle for their own ends ...

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From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Zander [Richard.Zander at mobot.org]
Sent: Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:48 a.m.
To: Thomas G. Lammers; TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Monkey Community greatly relieved

Again, Art and Science collide. I think religion can be acceptable as a
satisfying suspension of disbelief rather than minatory assertion of
belief. The antics of self-appointed theopomps, ecclesiasts and teachers
as Poets-with-Tommyguns is pretty disgusting.

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[mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Thomas G.
Lammers
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:19 PM
To: TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Monkey Community greatly relieved


>It fell on deaf ears when she tried to explain the difference
>between "a common ancestor" and "monkey ancestors".

Irrelevant to folks of that mindset.  The mere suggestion that our
species
arose by natural processes rather than divine fiat is anathema.  You
have
committed heresy by suggesting that our kinship is with ANY sort of
beast
rather than with the angels.

You may be saying, "The evidence suggests that our human species
diverged
from a common ancestor with chimps and gorillas or orangutans ..."  but
what they HEAR is, "The beliefs you have cherished since childhood are
stupid.  What mother and Reverend Lovejoy and Mrs. Magillicuddy in
Sunday
School told you was a lie.  The Bible is a lie.  You're stupid to have
believed such tripe for so long."

Viewed that way, their rancor is understandable.  That's why efforts
such
as the Clergy Letter Project
(http://www.butler.edu/clergyproject/rel_evol_sun.htm) are so important.


Thomas G. Lammers, Ph.D.

Associate Professor
Curator of the Neil A. Harriman Herbarium (OSH)
Department of Biology and Microbiology
800 Algoma Blvd.
University of Wisconsin Oshkosh
Oshkosh, Wisconsin 54901-8640 USA

e-mail:       lammers at uwosh.edu
phone:      920-424-1002
fax:           920-424-1101

Plant systematics; classification, nomenclature, evolution, and
biogeography of the Campanulaceae s. lat.

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