[Taxacom] Monkey Community greatly relieved

Stephen Thorpe s.thorpe at auckland.ac.nz
Wed Jan 13 15:05:30 CST 2010

No, I still think that religious people are interpreting science in religious language and concepts, thereby finding spurious contradiction with their beliefs, and scientists are interpreting religious teachings in scientific language and concepts, thereby finding it to be in contradiction with science. In fact, there are two closed loops, each of which can only express itself in its own language and answer questions expressed in that language. I think Darwin could quite consistently have gone to church on sundays, and worried about how he might have to pay for his sins in the afterlife. Again, though, I'm not religious, and I have NO OPINION about what is true or otherwise in religious teaching...

From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Thomas G. Lammers [lammers at uwosh.edu]
Sent: Thursday, 14 January 2010 9:50 a.m.
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Monkey Community greatly relieved

At 02:30 PM 1/13/2010, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
>Funny though, you seem just as uncompromisingly convinced in your beliefs
>as they are in theirs!

Hm.  I think you read what you wished into my post.  Please read it again
carefully.  I didn't express my beliefs.  I was merely seeking to help
folks understand the mindset of the devout, how they HEAR us, in order to
(like the Clergy Letter Project) find common ground and tone down the
rancor.  It is all very easy to dismiss Creationists as nut-cases and
loonies, but not particularly helpful.  We must understand that the things
we speak about with such assurance attack the core of their beliefs.

Let me put it more simply: If there was no Creation, there was no Adam and
Eve.  If there was no Adam & Eve, there was no Fall from Grace.  If there
was no Fall from Grace, there was no need of universal redemption.  If
there is no need for universal redemption, there was no need for the
sacrifice on Calvary, and the entire Christian faith is a sham.  THAT is
what we are up against, and that is what more enlightened Christians are
trying to combat as well.

Thomas G. Lammers, Ph.D.

Associate Professor
Curator of the Neil A. Harriman Herbarium (OSH)
Department of Biology and Microbiology
800 Algoma Blvd.
University of Wisconsin Oshkosh
Oshkosh, Wisconsin 54901-8640 USA

e-mail:       lammers at uwosh.edu
phone:      920-424-1002
fax:           920-424-1101

Plant systematics; classification, nomenclature, evolution, and
biogeography of the Campanulaceae s. lat.

"Today's mighty oak is yesterday's nut that stood his ground."
                                                               -- Anonymous

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