[Taxacom] Do rogue taxonomists need rogue publishers?

L Penev lyubo.penev at gmail.com
Sun Jan 31 03:38:58 CST 2010


Hi Stephen,

The hardcopy of the ZooKeys special issue you mentioned below will be mailed
to you as a present right on Monday. I am convinced you will like it!

Best regards,
Lyubomir

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Stephen Thorpe <s.thorpe at auckland.ac.nz>wrote:

> Yeah Frank, I will probably never see a hard copy of:
>
> Ratcliffe, B.; Krell, F.-T. (eds) 2010: Current advances in Scarabaeoidea
> research. ZooKeys, 34
>
> and who would bother buying a hard copy, when the pdfs are all free online?
>
> My attitude is that you ahve to assume hard copies exist in accordance with
> the Code, unless it is proven otherwise, but why bother trying to prove
> otherwise? Some cans of worms are best left unopened ...
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Frank.Krell at dmns.org [Frank.Krell at dmns.org]
> Sent: Sunday, 31 January 2010 6:00 p.m.
> To: Stephen Thorpe; mesibov at southcom.com.au; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Do rogue taxonomists need rogue publishers?
>
> The current situation is even worse. Somebody can post a pdf online and
> claim that multiple copies have been produced and distributed. We have no
> means to verify such a claim.
> I guess most of us get their literatur electronically anyway. I believe
> that the pdf from "Entomological Research" that I downloaded yesterday has a
> hard copy counterpart. Would I ever check? No, because I consider Blackwell
> a reputable publisher. Have I verified that that new lucanid name is
> available. No, I just believe it, because I consider Blackwell a reputable
> publisher.
> I also consider PLOS a reputable publisher, but they have occasionally
> missed to produce paper copies. Low profile journals, such as Munis
> Entomology and Zoology or Calodema, claim to have hardcopies. I have seen a
> hardcopy of one volume of the former and know somebody who has seen a
> hardcopy of one volume of the latter. I don't know if they regularly produce
> a printrun.  If we find actual paper copies, we don't know whether they were
> produced 'print-on-demand' (which would not make names available) or
> originate from an initial printrun.
> The current situation, only recognizing works produced by means of an
> initial printrun, not allowing (= not efficiently regulating) e-only
> publications, provide all the opportunities to uniformed or unethical
> taxonomists already. Regulated e-only publications (e.g. with an archiving
> requirement) are unlikely to make the situation worse.
>
> Frank
>
> Dr Frank T. Krell
> Curator of Entomology
> Commissioner, International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature
> Chair, ICZN ZooBank Committee
> Department of Zoology
> Denver Museum of Nature & Science
> 2001 Colorado Boulevard
> Denver, CO 80205-5798 USA
> Frank.Krell at dmns.org
> Phone: (+1) (303) 370-8244
> Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492
> http://www.dmns.org/science/curators/frank-krell
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [
> taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen Thorpe [
> s.thorpe at auckland.ac.nz]
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:13 PM
> To: Bob Mesibov; TAXACOM
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Do rogue taxonomists need rogue publishers?
>
> Bob, the bad news (or perhaps the good news) is that the situation to date
> is no better than your "nightmare scenario". According to the present Code,
> if I wanted to publish new taxa, all I have to do is print out multiple
> identical hard copies and make them "available" - no journal, no editor, no
> peer review, ...
>
> ________________________________________
> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [
> taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Mesibov [
> mesibov at southcom.com.au]
> Sent: Sunday, 31 January 2010 4:55 p.m.
> To: TAXACOM
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Do rogue taxonomists need rogue publishers?
>
> The answer to this thread's title question is 'No', if I read the proposed
> Code amendment properly.
>
> Self-publication has (in recent years, anyway) been seen as something less
> than ideal in taxonomy. There are plenty of journals that publish taxonomic
> papers. If you can't get into a reputable, peer-reviewed one, there are
> outlets like Calodema. In any case, a rogue taxonomist can seek and get the
> additional personal gravitas that comes with publication in a journal.
>
> The proposed amendments to the zoological Code will allow rogue taxonomists
> to self-publish hundreds of publications. All they need to do is register
> their new names and send PDFs of their work to all and sundry, including
> archiving organisations. Registration will not act as a filter here, and the
> archivers are not going to send the PDFs back saying 'We don't think this is
> good taxonomy'.
>
> Note that Makhan, at least, alerts other specialists to his papers, and
> similarly the e-only rogueof the future can simply email all relevant
> specialists with a list of the new names and a link to the PDF. Courteous,
> professional - and scary.
>
> I've read the proposed sections 8 and 9 amendments carefully looking for
> something that will prevent this from happening. I would be very grateful -
> really, really grateful - if someone could point to something in the Code
> that aims to avoid this scenario.
> --
> Dr Robert Mesibov
> Honorary Research Associate
> Queen Victoria Museum and Art Gallery, and
> School of Zoology, University of Tasmania
> Home contact: PO Box 101, Penguin, Tasmania, Australia 7316
> (03) 64371195; 61 3 64371195
> Website: http://www.qvmag.tas.gov.au/mesibov.html
>
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