[Taxacom] Do rogue taxonomists need rogue publishers?

Richard Zander Richard.Zander at mobot.org
Sun Jan 31 11:09:37 CST 2010


Adding a worm to the bag:  The problem can be stood on its head. If one
does not like an e-name, then simply say it was never published in hard
copy and reject it. How will the author prove it was published in hard
copy, particularly on the date given in the e-publication? 

Registration is an answer. (I don't like big changes any more than
anyone else, but registration is an answer.)

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[mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of
Frank.Krell at dmns.org
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:25 PM
To: s.thorpe at auckland.ac.nz; mesibov at southcom.com.au;
taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Do rogue taxonomists need rogue publishers?

Stephen: I will buy a hardcopy for our library - but I when it arrives,
I won't be able to see from the copy whether it was produced in an
initial printrun or just when I ordered it.
Do I want to know? As Commissioner, I probably should - well, if nobody
can distinguish between copies originating from print-on-demand and
initial printruns anyway,  I probably don't want to know either.

Frank

Dr Frank T. Krell 
Curator of Entomology 
Commissioner, International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature
Chair, ICZN ZooBank Committee
Department of Zoology 
Denver Museum of Nature & Science 
2001 Colorado Boulevard 
Denver, CO 80205-5798 USA 
Frank.Krell at dmns.org 
Phone: (+1) (303) 370-8244 
Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492 
http://www.dmns.org/science/curators/frank-krell


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From: Stephen Thorpe [s.thorpe at auckland.ac.nz]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:03 PM
To: Frank T. Krell; mesibov at southcom.com.au; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Do rogue taxonomists need rogue publishers?

Yeah Frank, I will probably never see a hard copy of:

Ratcliffe, B.; Krell, F.-T. (eds) 2010: Current advances in
Scarabaeoidea research. ZooKeys, 34

and who would bother buying a hard copy, when the pdfs are all free
online?

My attitude is that you ahve to assume hard copies exist in accordance
with the Code, unless it is proven otherwise, but why bother trying to
prove otherwise? Some cans of worms are best left unopened ...

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From: Frank.Krell at dmns.org [Frank.Krell at dmns.org]
Sent: Sunday, 31 January 2010 6:00 p.m.
To: Stephen Thorpe; mesibov at southcom.com.au; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Do rogue taxonomists need rogue publishers?

The current situation is even worse. Somebody can post a pdf online and
claim that multiple copies have been produced and distributed. We have
no means to verify such a claim.
I guess most of us get their literatur electronically anyway. I believe
that the pdf from "Entomological Research" that I downloaded yesterday
has a hard copy counterpart. Would I ever check? No, because I consider
Blackwell a reputable publisher. Have I verified that that new lucanid
name is available. No, I just believe it, because I consider Blackwell a
reputable publisher.
I also consider PLOS a reputable publisher, but they have occasionally
missed to produce paper copies. Low profile journals, such as Munis
Entomology and Zoology or Calodema, claim to have hardcopies. I have
seen a hardcopy of one volume of the former and know somebody who has
seen a hardcopy of one volume of the latter. I don't know if they
regularly produce a printrun.  If we find actual paper copies, we don't
know whether they were produced 'print-on-demand' (which would not make
names available) or originate from an initial printrun.
The current situation, only recognizing works produced by means of an
initial printrun, not allowing (= not efficiently regulating) e-only
publications, provide all the opportunities to uniformed or unethical
taxonomists already. Regulated e-only publications (e.g. with an
archiving requirement) are unlikely to make the situation worse.

Frank

Dr Frank T. Krell
Curator of Entomology
Commissioner, International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature
Chair, ICZN ZooBank Committee
Department of Zoology
Denver Museum of Nature & Science
2001 Colorado Boulevard
Denver, CO 80205-5798 USA
Frank.Krell at dmns.org
Phone: (+1) (303) 370-8244
Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492
http://www.dmns.org/science/curators/frank-krell





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From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
[taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen Thorpe
[s.thorpe at auckland.ac.nz]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:13 PM
To: Bob Mesibov; TAXACOM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Do rogue taxonomists need rogue publishers?

Bob, the bad news (or perhaps the good news) is that the situation to
date is no better than your "nightmare scenario". According to the
present Code, if I wanted to publish new taxa, all I have to do is print
out multiple identical hard copies and make them "available" - no
journal, no editor, no peer review, ...

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From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
[taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Mesibov
[mesibov at southcom.com.au]
Sent: Sunday, 31 January 2010 4:55 p.m.
To: TAXACOM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Do rogue taxonomists need rogue publishers?

The answer to this thread's title question is 'No', if I read the
proposed Code amendment properly.

Self-publication has (in recent years, anyway) been seen as something
less than ideal in taxonomy. There are plenty of journals that publish
taxonomic papers. If you can't get into a reputable, peer-reviewed one,
there are outlets like Calodema. In any case, a rogue taxonomist can
seek and get the additional personal gravitas that comes with
publication in a journal.

The proposed amendments to the zoological Code will allow rogue
taxonomists to self-publish hundreds of publications. All they need to
do is register their new names and send PDFs of their work to all and
sundry, including archiving organisations. Registration will not act as
a filter here, and the archivers are not going to send the PDFs back
saying 'We don't think this is good taxonomy'.

Note that Makhan, at least, alerts other specialists to his papers, and
similarly the e-only rogueof the future can simply email all relevant
specialists with a list of the new names and a link to the PDF.
Courteous, professional - and scary.

I've read the proposed sections 8 and 9 amendments carefully looking for
something that will prevent this from happening. I would be very
grateful - really, really grateful - if someone could point to something
in the Code that aims to avoid this scenario.
--
Dr Robert Mesibov
Honorary Research Associate
Queen Victoria Museum and Art Gallery, and
School of Zoology, University of Tasmania
Home contact: PO Box 101, Penguin, Tasmania, Australia 7316
(03) 64371195; 61 3 64371195
Website: http://www.qvmag.tas.gov.au/mesibov.html

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