[Taxacom] online publishing
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Fri Jul 23 12:05:28 CDT 2010
I suggest that with digital the problems have been recognised just as
quickly, but we have yet to establish a reliable system of
datestamps. I am not familiar enough with the history of libraries to
know when reliable dates of receipts were started, but I have had
substantial trouble with late 19C and early 20C between date of
publication and date of receipt.
I still think that this is happening quickly, we're in the middle of
the transition period, and it is really about having confidence that
it will all work out in the end. Personally I have less confidence
that we can sustain the current paper system.
On 23 Jul 2010, at 09:53, <dipteryx at freeler.nl> <dipteryx at freeler.nl>
> Van: dipteryx at freeler.nl [mailto:dipteryx at freeler.nl]
> Verzonden: vr 23-7-2010 9:48
> Aan: Dave Roberts
> CC: dipteryx at freeler.nl
> Onderwerp: Re: [Taxacom] online publishing
> Dear Dave,
> that is not quite true. With paper the problems were fairly quickly
> recognized and a library system grew that marked dates of receipt
> and that securely filed copies.
> Who is to mark dates of receipt and securely file copies of e-only
> publications? That is the big question.
> Focusing on formats is likely to just generate a headache, but if
> there is no clarity on the filing of e-only publications, it is
> inevitable to look at formats ...
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Dave Roberts [mailto:workpackage6 at googlemail.com]
> Verzonden: vr 23-7-2010 8:28
> Aan: dipteryx at freeler.nl
> Onderwerp: Re: [Taxacom] online publishing
> Dear Paul,
> the same criticisms could have been made of paper, especially in the
> early days of printing.
> Paper copies do not guarantee permanence and have a significant upkeep
> cost. It is also very hard to access. It is hard to find a usable
> original from the 1930s from Russia these days because of the acid
> content of the paper. We have photocopies that preserve the content.
> Its not about formats: its about confidence.
> Cheers, Dave
> On 22 Jul 2010, at 17:34, <dipteryx at freeler.nl> <dipteryx at freeler.nl>
>> Van: Donat Agosti [mailto:agosti at amnh.org]
>> Verzonden: do 22-7-2010 17:49
>>> It is not about formats: it is about reading content online
>>> rather than hard cover.
>>> If it where about format, then I would make the argument and
>>> stress, that, just as you point out with your discussion below,
>>> should not have it own format but be rather generic and
>>> with the content with some basic semantic mark-up.
>>> The other point is, that it has to be open access and
>>> archived somewhere with a high probability of sustainability.
>> For nomenclatural purposes, it is first and foremost about
>> the guarantee that the document has not been altered.
>> As pointed out before, one of the ways to assure this for electronic
>> documents would be to have copies (of the entire publication, or at
>> least of the nomenclaturally relevant part) deposited, at
>> in a central archive. Ideally this archive would be on-line, open
>> access, etc. Another, lesser, option would be to extend special
>> recognition to some high-quality e-journals, each with its own
>> permanent archive.
>> Otherwise, without deposited copies, it IS about formats, formats
>> guarantee an unaltered document. Whether that is possible? I guess
>> that even with quite limited means, PDFs can be altered: those with
>> technical ability could be probably be quite convincing.
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