[Taxacom] OMG! OMG! Run for your lives! End of the World!

Paul Kirk p.kirk at cabi.org
Thu May 6 02:54:18 CDT 2010

which of the Principles of Botanical Nomenclature depend on access to the 'printed' protologue? Application of names is detemined by means of nomenclatural types [which can already be fixed if there's a problem]; nomenclature of a taxonomic group is based on priority [which can already be fixed if there's a problem]. So where is the problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: Donat Agosti [mailto:agosti at amnh.org] 
Sent: 06 May 2010 08:53
To: 'TaxaCom'
Cc: Paul Kirk; 'Stephen Thorpe'; 'Jim Croft'
Subject: RE: [Taxacom] OMG! OMG! Run for your lives! End of the World!

That's why it would be good to produce the papers as XML documents (such as Lyubo just posted: using taxpub as an example) making use of the NLM DTD, and the system behind, such as the archiving in PubMed Central. The chance that this will disappear is probably the lowest possible. Using XML also allows to include domain specific mark-up to a rather fine level if produced directly from databases. If publishers and authors make an effort to link to respective databases for names, images then we are really in the world of e-publications.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Croft [mailto:jim.croft at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:13 PM
To: Stephen Thorpe
Cc: Paul Kirk; Donat Agosti; TaxaCom
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] OMG! OMG! Run for your lives! End of the World!

PDF is hardly an archival format... In fact I think it is reasonable to worry about any electronic format as being archival...


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
> Regarding covertly changing electronic copies, the crucial thing is 
> for
there to be a requirement for an electronic copy to be officially deposited in some appropriate electronic repository where it is archived as a read only PDF ...
>>why would anyone want to do that?
> Why do vandals vandalise, forgers forge, ... ?
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Kirk <p.kirk at cabi.org>
> To: Donat Agosti <agosti at amnh.org>; TaxaCom 
> <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Sent: Thu, 6 May, 2010 7:25:05 PM
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> there is nothing in the botanical Code which prevent anyone from
downloading a published on-line 'pre-print' and printing multiple (more than
one) identical copies at 'one time' (i.e. not print on demand) and delivering them to more than one library ... I know, I did it back in 2008 (http://www.indexfungorum.org/Names/NamesRecord.asp?RecordID=511980). The more people who work the Code in this way the more pressure there will be to change the Codes to reflect the reality of the 21st century. And there will always be paper copies (even though we add environmental messages to our
emails) and electronic copies can be changed - but why would anyone want to do that? and if someone did the Codes could deal with it ... couldn't they?
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> Sent: 06 May 2010 08:12
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> It is also not the first time Linnaeus meets the internet. This 
> happened
earlier in PLoS One
> http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.00017
> 87
in 2008. There was also a lengthy heated debate in ICZN list about whether this was correct or not, even though advice from the ICZN commission has been thought beforehand. It might also have been important in moving the Commission towards dealing electronic publications.
> Donat

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