[Taxacom] FW: ICZN procedure question

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Fri Nov 12 18:13:30 CST 2010

the temptation to "start anew" in zoology must be resisted at all costs! 

there are many ways in which bacteria taxonomy is not the same as zoological 
taxonomy, one perhaps being that an 1846 description of a beetle, say, can still 
render it identifiable today, but a bacterium? I think not...

From: "fautin at ku.edu" <fautin at ku.edu>
To: Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>
Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu; Frank Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
Sent: Sat, 13 November, 2010 12:25:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] FW: ICZN procedure question

A major difference, as most of you well know, with the bacterio-taxonomic 
world is that registration is required.  A new taxon either must be 
described in the one master journal or publication of it elsewhere must be 
announced in that journal.  Yes, it might be because they started anew in 
1980 and it might be because they have fewer taxa.  But a major difference 
-- one that has been proposed for zoology but is loudly rejected for many 
reasons -- is the single-journal pass point.  This makes tracking all 
names easy -- and it allowed the bacteriologists to go electronic without 
some of the objections zoologists are hearing.

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On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Richard Pyle wrote:

> Indeed!
> As was pointed out to me off-list, the bacteriological Code has already
> accomodated e-only publications since 2005.  So really we're talking about
> botanical and zoological communities playing catch-up.
> But, of course, our communities are somewhat larger and more heterogenous,
> and we have a much longer legacy of historical names to deal with (unless,
> like the bacteriologists, we're comfortable with establishing a definitive
> list of available names and abandaoning all previous names not on the list
> -- which I don't think we'll be ready for anytime soon).
> But in any case, I think Michael's point is, the reality is increasingly
> clear, and we can either ignore that, or find ways to deal with it as best
> we can, keeping in mind not just our needs, but the needs of the generaitons
> to follow. Indeed, the issues about long-term archiving are for them, not
> us.
> Aloha,
> Rich
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of
>> Michael A. Ivie
>> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 10:40 AM
>> To: Frank.Krell at dmns.org
>> Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] FW: ICZN procedure question
>> OK, it is time for a reality check. I like paper, I like
>> books. BUT, paper is GOING TO GO AWAY.  Can't change that.
>> Scientific names are going to be used, and they will
>> eventually be based on works without paper  REALITY.
>> Our choice it to either manage this transition so that there
>> are some controls on the process, or lose control completely,
>> because the use of names is going to happen either within the
>> Code or the Code will be come an arcane and ignored document.
>> Drop the idea of stopping change, get used to the idea that
>> even today paper publications are "the living dead," and come
>> up with a reasonable and useful way to manage what is coming.
>> It does not matter that a majority of the CURRENT taxonomic
>> community (including me) does not like this, it maters that
>> we lead in such a way that the FUTURE taxonomic community
>> considers our actions useful enough to use.
>> Michael Ivie


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