[Taxacom] Sorry, but you are out-of-line

Chris Thompson xelaalex at cox.net
Sat Nov 13 16:07:59 CST 2010


I spent many years on various international organizations and committees. 
And while I frequently disagreed with my colleagues, I never publically 
attacked their intelligence and merely accepted that we had different 
paradigms or view points.

I am sorry, but you owe Steve an apology.


Chris Thompson

a former ICZN Commissioner / ICZN editorial member / etc.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Stephen Gaimari
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 2:12 PM
To: Doug Yanega ; TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU ; iczn-list at afriherp.org
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] FW: ICZN procedure question

>This is precisely the kind of thing that makes me saddest of all; a
>perfectly reasonable, respectable person who should be on our side,
>but has so completely missed the fundamental argument that they
>resist - and in doing so, may convince *others* to resist.

Now wait just a minute Doug. You are an ICZN Commissioner and you are saying 
such things? Are you suggesting that your colleagues who don't agree with 
you are unreasonable and unrespectable? Do you really think people don't 
*get* the fundamental argument? Guess what? People do get the fundamental 
argument, and some disagree with your and others conclusions and point of 
view. I am disturbed that you now use such rhetoric of which "side" one is 
on - this to me does not bode well for any upcoming discussions among 
Commissioners on this issue, as there now seems to be this fractionated 
us-versus-them mentality. I just hope that the Commissioners are carefully 
considering what the majority of their constituency are saying. We are all 
on the "side" of zoological taxonomy - that is where our passion and our 
loyalty lay. Your emotional state is irrelevant to what is best for zoology. 
You seem to think that disagreement is somehow personal - it is the farthest 
thing from personal. Some people just do not see the world as you see it, 
and they are perfectly reasonable and respectable people.

Not quoting the section, but the whole money under the mattress versus bank 
analogy falls apart right away. Publishing on paper is nothing like putting 
money under the mattress, and e-only publication is nothing like putting 
money in the bank. These two things could not be farther from each other is 
trying to work an analogy.

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