[Taxacom] Order Campanulales (worth maintaining?)

Richard Jensen rjensen at saintmarys.edu
Wed Feb 16 11:25:06 CST 2011

I guess if the Association of Professional Genealogists, in their 3rd 
(sorry for the mistaken reference to their second) version, have 
declared these to be a single order, then so be it.  ;-)

Given the cladogram on which the classification is based, I understand 
Ken's point.  Whether we treat these putatively monophyletic groups as 
one order or two would seem to be a matter of preference, not evidence.  
There is no rule I am aware of for deciding if the two groups in 
question are treated as two suborders or as orders.

Dick J

On 2/16/2011 10:12 AM, Kenneth Kinman wrote:
> Dear All,
>        It is not a matter of evidence in this case.  The present evidence
> seems to show that Order Campanulales (families Campanulaceae and
> Rousseaceae) is sister group to my more traditional Order Asterales, and
> this is how I coded it in my 2009 classification.
>        However, one could also treat them as sister Suborders rather than
> sister Orders.  This would yield one very large Order Asterales (as APG
> started doing in its second version).   The evidence is the same either
> way, so it is just a matter of rank (and whether one doesn't mind
> sinking another Order into synonymy when it isn't really necessary).
> This is a matter of lumping vs. splitting, not evidence.
>              -------------Ken
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