[Taxacom] Taxonomy (and ICZN) mention in The Scientist

Richard Pyle deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
Tue Mar 8 09:49:59 CST 2011


There must be a third group in your first division, because I don't fit into
either of the ones you define.

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> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-
> bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Roderic Page
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 3:01 AM
> To: TAXACOM
> Cc: Bob Mesibov
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Taxonomy (and ICZN) mention in The Scientist
> 
> I'm probably going to regret this, but here goes. I'd suggest that the
divide is
> not between morphological taxonomy and molecular taxonomy,
> but:
> 
> a) between those who have realised that "species" can be fuzzy and may
> require sophisticated tools for their "discovery" (be it with molecules or
> morphology) and those that expect the world to provide nice, clean,
> macroscopic characters to delimit taxa. The world doesn't always work this
> way, yet we can still do science.
> 
> b) between databases that underpin actual research (NCBI) and those that
> don't (e.g., CoL, EOL).
> 
> I'd lost track of this debate, but if anyone, like me wants to catch up,
the
> original paper is http://dx.doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2010.0662,
> the critique http://dx.doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2010.1330, and the reply
> http://dx.doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2010.1864
> .
> 
> The three new taxa have NCBI tax_ids 797295-797297, so you can find them
> here:
> 
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?mode=Info
> &id=797295
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?mode=Info
> &id=797296
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?mode=Info
> &id=797297
> 
> (look at all the lovely data attached to them: sequences, specimen codes,
> literature...).
> 
> Regards
> 
> Rod
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 Mar 2011, at 10:25, Bob Mesibov wrote:
> 
> > Nearly 9 months behind the discussion of the work on Taxacom (search
> > 'New lizard species'), with posts from ICZN Commissioners, which
> > flourised 5 months before the multi-author attack on the paper in Proc
> > Roy Soc B.
> >
> > What's really interesting is to track the 3 new 'species' names
> > through the usual channels. They aren't in CoL, EoL, ION or ZooBank,
> > and they're listed as synonyms of Hemidactylus fasciatus in The
> > Reptile Database (http://www.reptile-database.org/).
> >
> > However, you can find the new 'species' names and a taxonomic ID for
> > each in NCBI and UniProt. Do I remember someone worrying about a
> > potential divide, between morphological taxonomy and molecular
> > taxonomy?
> > --
> > Dr Robert Mesibov
> > Honorary Research Associate
> > Queen Victoria Museum and Art Gallery, and School of Zoology,
> > University of Tasmania Home contact: PO Box 101, Penguin, Tasmania,
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> > Webpage: http://www.qvmag.tas.gov.au/?articleID=570
> >
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