[Taxacom] ALL angiosperms in just one Subclass Magnoliidae???

John Grehan jgrehan at sciencebuff.org
Thu Mar 17 07:49:41 CDT 2011

Thee problems in inclusiveness or exclusiveness are true of ANY classification system. Just blaming one systematics principle for this is absurd. And if one is going to throw around pejoratives of paraphylophobia, then one must accept its logical counterpart - monophylophobia. This just gets stupid and pointless. Whether or not a particularly classification is sustainable must be assessed on its individual merits as argued by the authors in question.

John Grehan 

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From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Kenneth Kinman
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:43 PM
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Subject: [Taxacom] ALL angiosperms in just one Subclass Magnoliidae???

Dear All, 
      Is is true that APG III (2009) reduced ALL angiosperms
to just a single Subclass Magnoliidae?  I don't think even the PhyloCode
is taking such an extreme position of their taxon Magnolidae (which
actually is, or at least was, last time I reviewed their proposals, more
in line with traditional views).                
     To classify angiosperms as a just a single Subclass of
plants is the height of the paraphylophobic knee-jerk (and simplistic)
reaction to paraphyletic taxa in general. It is Hennigism at its worst.
I wonder if even Hennig would approve of such extremism.        
       I'm sure Peter Ashlock and Ernst Mayr would likewise be extremely
troubled by this kind of simplistic "cladification".  As I have noted in
the past, I actually had high hopes that botanists would continue to
resist this kind of thing, but maybe I was overly optimistic.  Even
botany seems likely to increasingly abuse the Linnaean system and then
abandon such categories down the line.  The very people who abuse
Linnaean categories continue to condemn them when they don't stand up to
the abuse. It is called "blaming the victim", and it is abuse piled onto
abuse.  But history is full of such examples that it is no big surprise,
even though it is extremely regretable in the long run.    
                  --------Ken Kinman           


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