[Taxacom] Lynn's taxa (was: clade age)

John Grehan jgrehan at sciencebuff.org
Fri Nov 11 09:35:48 CST 2011

Their ability to interbreed or not may be neither here not there. They would just be species that can interbreed.

John Grehan

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Subject: [Taxacom] Lynn's taxa (was: clade age)

Hi Lynn,                 
         Sounds like a case of subspeciation, but not
necessarily speciation.  Since they are morphologically distinct, one
could certainly justify naming them (at least as subspecies).     

      But if the differences in morphology are caused by few genes (as
few as one), then chances are that such mutations would not have
resulted in an inability to interbreed.  I just wonder if more intensive

sampling in upstream areas might reveal areas where some of these taxa
actually still meet and interbreed (where the valleys are not as deep).                 

Lynn Raw wrote: 
         The second question was not theoretical. It
resulted from the geosynclinal uplift of a once single habitat followed
by the incision of deep river valleys that has resulted in 7
morphologically distinct, dare I call them, taxa. DNA studies were
unable to separate them, my guess is that this looked at a stable
sequence in this group that did not change. Perhaps choosing another
region could show some differences but I can see just how a tree /
cladistic approach would not be able to deal with it. 


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