[Taxacom] Clade age

Richard Zander Richard.Zander at mobot.org
Fri Nov 18 10:55:59 CST 2011

In my opinion, Linnaean classification models nothing particular in
nature and so is equally disadvantageous to classical and phylogenetic
systematics. What it does do, however, is provide a theoretically
neutral way to show differences (lists of taxa at the same rank) and
similarities (groups of taxa under a higher rank). This is I think why
it works so well for dealing with all taxon concepts. Shall we keep it?

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Richard H. Zander
Missouri Botanical Garden, PO Box 299, St. Louis, MO 63166-0299 USA  
Web sites: http://www.mobot.org/plantscience/resbot/ and
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[mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Kenneth Kinman
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:18 PM
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Clade age

Hi Don,   
       Agreed.  And the worst case in biology of definitions run amuck
is the PhyloCode.  The irony is that continued disagreement among
PhyloCodists over differing definitions has actually impeded the
implementation of PhyloCode (last I saw, I think it was version 4b).  I
guess we can always hope that the infighting continues and that the
delay in implementation might continue indefinitely.        

Don.Colless wrote:             
       I hate to have to agree with John, but happily I can join him in
agreeing (basically) with Curtis. The logical notion of a definition
requires a set of invariant, necessary, and sufficient conditions -
which just doesn't apply in matters empirical. We use (as Curtis
stresses) DIAGNOSES: sets of conditions of which none may be necessary
but a "substantial" number will usually be sufficient. We simply have to
agree, as we usually do, on how many is substantial.


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