[Taxacom] TransAtlantic co-disperals (non-vertebrate)

[John Grehan]

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Subject: [Taxacom] TransAtlantic co-disperals (non-vertebrate)

Hi All,

> Odds are that the transAtlantic rafting event which resulted in New World primates 

What trans-Atlantic rafting event?

> and the hystricomorph rafting event 

What rafting event?

>  A variety of non-vertebrate taxa (insects, plants, fungi, etc.) no doubt were carried on
>  these two rafting events and some could have established themselves in South America
> along with them.  This would represent a smaller community than the larger communities 
> Heads is probably talking about, but a community nevertheless.

If it even happened beyond being imagined.            

> Has co-dispersal ever been suggested for any insect, plant, or fungi which dispersed from
>  Africa to South America about the same time as the first New World primates or 
> hystricomorph rodents?  

What does it matter that someone suggests it or not? If there is no empirical evidence can such suggestions have any empirical reality?

>  It would not be easy to prove that such co-dispersals occurred, but as more 
> transAtlantic dispersals are eventually proposed for less well-studied taxa, some of them
>  will almost certainly have occurred about the same time as the better known 
> transAtlantic dispersals of mammal taxa (New World primates

As we imagine more examples some will be real, almost certainly I tell you.

> If such Transatlantic rafting events are as rare as some have suggested, then co-disperal
> and co-establishment via the same rafting event seems likley.  

I guess that speaks for itself.

John Grehan

             ----------Ken Kinman
   
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Michael Heads
      Chance dispersal ('long distance dispersal') is another process as

it only involves one group at a time - it is not due to a separate phase of history and does not involve a whole 'community' of taxa.
For example, someone may date the New World primates at 47.5823 Ma and infer a single event that only happened once in history. The trans-Atlantic break in hystricomorph rodents is dated at a different time and is attributed to a different, unrelated event.      




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