[Taxacom] labeling redescriptions properly

Richard Pyle deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
Thu Sep 8 18:53:41 CDT 2011


That is just as silly as "Sorghastrum secundum (Smith, 1969)".  I would
represent it as:

"Sorghastrum secundum  (Elliott) Nash sec. Smith, 1969"

Not too much room for confusion there.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-
> bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Michael A. Ivie
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 1:40 PM
> To: Stephen Thorpe
> Cc: TAXACOM at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] labeling redescriptions properly
> 
> how does one understand Sorghastrum secundum secundum (Smith, 1969)?
> as a subspecies or a subsequent meaning?
> 
> 
> > yes, but citing (purported) facts is very different to citing names!
> >
> >>If we write "Formica sanguinea (Smith, 1851)" we have trouble reading
> >>this as: "The facts stated by Smith 1851 about the organism named
> >>Formica  sanguinea" and interpret it in a nomenclatural fashion
> >
> > that's because it is equivalent to writing "ant (Smith, 1851)", or
> > "elephant (Smith, 1851)", or ..., and makes no sense!
> >
> >
> > From: Gregor Hagedorn <g.m.hagedorn at gmail.com>
> > To: fwelter at gwdg.de; TAXACOM at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > Sent: Friday, 9 September 2011 9:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] labeling redescriptions properly
> >
> > I think the root of our request is that we have a conflict of citation
> > notations between nomenclature and the rest of science.
> >
> > If we write a factual statement  "a is X (Smith 1979)" we would
> > recognize this as a Harvard style citation.
> >
> > If we write "Formica sanguinea (Smith, 1851)" we have trouble reading
> > this as: "The facts stated by Smith 1851 about the organism named
> > Formica sanguinea" and interpret it in a nomenclatural fashion.
> >
> > I largely agree with what Francisco writes, but how best do we cite if
> > the citation needs to be brief? What do we write if we do not mean
> > nomenclatural type, but citing facts reported in a specific
> > publication? What will be understood by most?
> >
> > I agree that sensu, although literally correct, has a history of being
> > used only when necessary because the usage was in the wrong sense
> > (else nothing would be written). "Secundum" has therefore been
> > introduced as a replacement term.
> >
> > ::: by the way: WHO INTRODUCED "secundum"?
> >
> > So is "secundum" the best form to cite information about a taxon?
> >
> > Gregor
> >
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