[Taxacom] BHL and print on demand publishers

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Sun Apr 1 17:18:23 CDT 2012


> And, come to think of it, it has been argued, in this very forum, that much scientific literature is work of pure fantasy and imagination...<
 
Indeed, so in many cases CC is offering protection to something devoid of intrinsic value *and* lacking useful information content! Can't see a court taking that too seriously, somehow! :)


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From: Jim Croft <jim.croft at gmail.com>
To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> 
Cc: Paul van Rijckevorsel <dipteryx at freeler.nl>; taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> 
Sent: Monday, 2 April 2012 10:10 AM
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Creative Commons was established to offer protection for original creativity. There is considerable creativity in the design and presentation of scientific works, both by authors and publishers. 

And, come to think of it, it has been argued, in this very forum, that much scientific literature is work of pure fantasy and imagination... ;)

jim


On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:

Paul:
>IANAL, but it does appear that Creative Commons licenses are potentially enforceable by law, *but* that there is no guarantee of success. A court would have to be convinced that there were non-trivial damages to the copyright holder relevant to the breach of copyright (and not to things like plagiarism, etc., which are separate issues). In the case of Nabu, this seems unlikely. It is irrelevant that Nabu are unethically selling what is already free (how many legit. publishers bother to check this?)
>It seems to me that CC licenses were only designed to be applied to artworks, and (leaving aside the possible complication of illustrations) scientific publications are not artworks! An artwork has intrinsic aesthetic values, but no relevant information content. A scientific publication has no intrinsic values, but primarily has information content. Clearly, one cannot impose restrictions on reuse of the information content! It seems to me to be absurd to impose restrictions on reuse of the publication itself, particularly if anyone can freely obtain a copy of it anyway!
>Stephen
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>From: Paul van Rijckevorsel <dipteryx at freeler.nl>
>To: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2012 7:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [Taxacom] BHL and print on demand publishers
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>From: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 12:20 AM
>[...]
>I would claim that copyright is about protecting legitimate rights
>to fiscal profits from a publication, [...]
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>***
>And a strange claim it is! Essentially, copyright is about providing
>the (potential) creator of a valuable work a legal position that
>will enable and encourage him to indeed create such valuable
>works: this in turn will benefit society. The financial aspect is just
>one aspect of this, although obviously an important aspect.
>
>This is nothing new, all those licenses created by Creative
>Commons (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/) just deal
>with long-existing aspects of copyright.
>
>Paul
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