[Taxacom] Homonymous synonyms / cosmic order

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Thu Jun 7 01:29:40 CDT 2012

Hi Tony,
I think you might be missing the point ... it isn't a theory, but an interpretation (an interpretation that is Code compliant). Eschmeyer isn't wrong, he has just chosen to jump one way, but he could equally have jumped the other way, at least as far as the Code is concerned...

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Hi Stephen,
If you have evidence to support the “chresonym theory” then fine, produce it and let others judge – otherwise we are back with Eschmeyer’s Catalog (who is, after all, the recognised expert on fish taxonomy and nomenclature at this time), who does cite and one presumes, has seen Boeseman’s supplementary note, and who treats this pair of names as synonymous homonyms (or whatever the reverse is), not chresonyms.
Cheers - Tony
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you can try to rationalise it all you like, but the ICZN Code has nothing to say on the matter, and the "chresonymn solution" does have the advantage of simplicity ...
Cheers, Stephen
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Would not Boeseman have to be proved to be aware of Fraser-Brunner's names
at the time for the occurrence to be a usage (aka chresonym) instead of
the more entertaining spontaneous cosmic synonymous homonym (or whatever
it is)?  The apparently privately circulated explanation of Boeseman is
said to claim the latter, so he was not aware and that ought to be
accepted as true.  But unsatisfactory to seemingly only have 2nd hand
knowledge of the note's existence, with but a cryptic indication of the


On Thu, June 7, 2012 1:27 pm, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
> just to reiterate the point that one could interpret Boeseman's names as
> chresonyms of Fraser-Brunner's names, and disregard any type designation
> by Boeseman as invalid (because the type has already been fixed by
> Fraser-Brunner) ... the Zoological Code does not have anything to say
> about such an interpretation ...
> Stephen
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> From: "Tony.Rees at csiro.au" <Tony.Rees at csiro.au>
> To: WeirB at landcareresearch.co.nz
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> Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Homonymous synonyms / cosmic order
> Hi Bevan,
> The difference between your example and that of Gymnochanda filamentosa
> Fraser-Brunner 1955 vs. Gymnochanda filamentosa Boeseman 1957 is that, not
> only were these 2 species established in two different genera (Gymnochanda
> Fraser-Brunner 1955 vs. Gymnochanda Boeseman 1957), but also that both the
> genera and species concerned are synonyms (although based on different
> types) as well as homonyms of each other. That is why it seems like a
> curious coincidence, though possibly there may be other reasons at work as
> explored by different responders. Of course there is also the "cosmic
> order" explanation: every genus and species already has an intrinsic name,
> taxonomists merely discover them...
> Regards - Tony

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