[Taxacom] Biodiversity data and ABS

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Sat Nov 10 16:13:40 CST 2012


>In my experience our performance in this area leaves something to be desired<
 
If this was Twitter, that'd definitely be well worth a retweet! :)
 
Cheers, Stephen


From: Roderic Page <r.page at bio.gla.ac.uk>
To: TAXACOM <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> 
Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2012 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Biodiversity data and ABS

All large data aggregations will have errors. Some will be original with the data providers (data is messy), some will arise as part of the aggregation process (it is often not easy trying to extract and combine data from multiple sources).

There is a nice essay by Ewan Birney entitled "The making of ENCODE: Lessons for big-data projects" in Nature http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/489049a (free). He argues that large-scale data projects "should really be judged not by absolute error rates, but by how quickly they can rectify reported errors." 

In my experience our performance in this area leaves something to be desired.

Regards

Rod

On 9 Nov 2012, at 14:14, Wolfgang Lorenz wrote:

> Maybe we should ask yet another question: what is the possible damage of
> wrong data published through GBIF? E.g., does it matter that all GBIF data
> on Kenya's ground beetles (Coleoptera Carabidae) are either useless (just
> unidentified "Carabidae") or horribly wrong (palearctic species that have
> never been found in Kenya). The provider was informed almost 2 years ago!
> And what about the damage to the reputation of an identifier who's name is
> falsely associated with those data? Spotting errors is easy with GBIF - but
> then why is it so difficult to get errors corrected?
> 
> Greetings,
> Wolfgang
> 
> Wolfgang Lorenz, Tutzing, Germany
> 
> 
> 2012/11/9 Fabian Haas <fhaas at icipe.org>
> 
>> Dear Chris,
>> 
>> thanks for the response. Actually I cannot define what I mean ;-) since
>> I was pretty much lost what a biodiversity data product could actually
>> be. The paper is about GBIF, EoL and iBOL, and so my idea was that
>> people go to the websites there, download some data and the make
>> something out of it that they can sell.
>> 
>> Keeping my question a bit fuzzy also gave me good feed back. There seems
>> to be a market in Environmental Impact Assessments and Planning where
>> planning firms buy such data from mostly national data providers. That
>> could be interesting, and is probably closest to what I thought. Someone
>> also pointed me to ETI, though I am not sure how much eg GBIF data they
>> actually use in the products. I will ask Peter Schalk directly.
>> 
>> I do agree with you that on this information level ABS/Nagoya is not
>> relevant, at least I believe so. And yes EoL draws a lot from Content
>> Providers and, like GBIF, moves obligations to them, saying they
>> own/copyright the data we are only distributing things. For use and what
>> no, pls talk to the Content Provider directly.
>> 
>> iBOL is a different thing as they deal themselves with real specimens,
>> but collecting and sequencing is done under a MTA and ABS agreement. Atm
>> I cannot envisage a patent on a sequence, its in the public domain for
>> so long, and nothing new, on some software or analyzer that is a
>> different story of course.
>> 
>> So yes pls any idea/information on who is paying for Biodiversity Data
>> and doing what with it, is still welcomed!
>> 
>> best
>> 
>> Fabian
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/11/2012 22:16, Chris Lyal wrote:
>>> Hi Fabian,
>>> 
>>> Can you define what you mean by biodiversity data in this context?  On
>> the face of it, since at least some data about biodiversity - geographical
>> data, names - are not genetic resources,  they are not covered by ABS
>> regulations or legislation.  One can construct a scneario of their use to
>> locate genetic resources, although I do not know if this has happened, but
>> that is a rather different issue.
>>> 
>>> I would maintain also that morphological descriptions, behavioural data
>> and such like are also not necessarily  based on utilization of genetic
>> resources as defined by the Nagoya Protocol, which take a lot of the EoL
>> content out of ther equation.  When we move on to genetic information that
>> becomes a different question, of course.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [
>> taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] on behalf of Fabian Haas [
>> fhaas at icipe.org]
>>> Sent: 08 November 2012 13:05
>>> Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>>> Subject: [Taxacom] Biodiversity data and ABS
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I am currently working on a paper on Access and benefit Sharing, GBIF,
>>> EoL and others, and Information Sharing. I section will deal with
>>> commercial use of biodiversity data.
>>> 
>>> Somehow I am unable to locate concrete commercial examples of the use
>>> biodiversity data. Most seems uncommercial, at least non-profit or
>>> scientific.
>>> 
>>> Do you have any ideas? Links, pdfs or key words are welcomed.
>>> 
>>> best Fabian
>>> 
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>>> P.O. Box 30772 - 00100
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>> 
>> Dr. Fabian Haas
>> Insect Taxonomist and ABS Specialist
>> ICIPE - African Insect Science for Food and Health
>> Duduville Campus, Kasarani
>> P.O. Box 30772 - 00100
>> N A I R O B I
>> Kenya
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