[Taxacom] Biodiversity data and ABS

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Sun Nov 11 13:14:02 CST 2012


This is the classic reaction to the data quality problem, i.e. ignore it!



From: "Haas, Fabian" <fhaas at icipe.org>
To: Wolfgang Lorenz <faunaplan at googlemail.com> 
Cc: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> 
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 7:05 AM
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Actually, Wolfgang, as important as this issues is, data quality, could you discuss it under a new thread. I would like to stay focused on commercialisation, and possible ABS issues.

The data quality is already discussed in strings of papers, not only concernig GBIF but also iBOL, GenBank and so on... and yes it can be a problem.

Best Fabian



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From: Wolfgang Lorenz [faunaplan at googlemail.com]
Sent: 09 November 2012 17:14
To: Haas, Fabian
Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Biodiversity data and ABS

Maybe we should ask yet another question: what is the possible damage of wrong data published through GBIF? E.g., does it matter that all GBIF data on Kenya's ground beetles (Coleoptera Carabidae) are either useless (just unidentified "Carabidae") or horribly wrong (palearctic species that have never been found in Kenya). The provider was informed almost 2 years ago!
And what about the damage to the reputation of an identifier who's name is falsely associated with those data? Spotting errors is easy with GBIF - but then why is it so difficult to get errors corrected?

Greetings,
Wolfgang

Wolfgang Lorenz, Tutzing, Germany


2012/11/9 Fabian Haas <fhaas at icipe.org<mailto:fhaas at icipe.org>>
Dear Chris,

thanks for the response. Actually I cannot define what I mean ;-) since
I was pretty much lost what a biodiversity data product could actually
be. The paper is about GBIF, EoL and iBOL, and so my idea was that
people go to the websites there, download some data and the make
something out of it that they can sell.

Keeping my question a bit fuzzy also gave me good feed back. There seems
to be a market in Environmental Impact Assessments and Planning where
planning firms buy such data from mostly national data providers. That
could be interesting, and is probably closest to what I thought. Someone
also pointed me to ETI, though I am not sure how much eg GBIF data they
actually use in the products. I will ask Peter Schalk directly.

I do agree with you that on this information level ABS/Nagoya is not
relevant, at least I believe so. And yes EoL draws a lot from Content
Providers and, like GBIF, moves obligations to them, saying they
own/copyright the data we are only distributing things. For use and what
no, pls talk to the Content Provider directly.

iBOL is a different thing as they deal themselves with real specimens,
but collecting and sequencing is done under a MTA and ABS agreement. Atm
I cannot envisage a patent on a sequence, its in the public domain for
so long, and nothing new, on some software or analyzer that is a
different story of course.

So yes pls any idea/information on who is paying for Biodiversity Data
and doing what with it, is still welcomed!

best

Fabian



On 08/11/2012 22:16, Chris Lyal wrote:
> Hi Fabian,
>
> Can you define what you mean by biodiversity data in this context?  On the face of it, since at least some data about biodiversity - geographical data, names - are not genetic resources,  they are not covered by ABS regulations or legislation.  One can construct a scneario of their use to locate genetic resources, although I do not know if this has happened, but that is a rather different issue.
>
> I would maintain also that morphological descriptions, behavioural data and such like are also not necessarily  based on utilization of genetic resources as defined by the Nagoya Protocol, which take a lot of the EoL content out of ther equation.  When we move on to genetic information that becomes a different question, of course.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
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> Hello,
>
> I am currently working on a paper on Access and benefit Sharing, GBIF,
> EoL and others, and Information Sharing. I section will deal with
> commercial use of biodiversity data.
>
> Somehow I am unable to locate concrete commercial examples of the use
> biodiversity data. Most seems uncommercial, at least non-profit or
> scientific.
>
> Do you have any ideas? Links, pdfs or key words are welcomed.
>
> best Fabian
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