[Taxacom] e-publication of EarlyView: clarification needed

Dr.B.J.Tindall bti at dsmz.de
Wed Sep 12 05:17:41 CDT 2012


Rich, but there are other Codes where it DOES matter ;-) !
Brian

Quoting Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>:

> In zoology, pagination has no bearing on priority; nor does any of the other
> citation metadata.  All that matters is when the work was published in the
> sense of the Code.  Basically, this boils down to when numerous copies were
> simultaneously obtainable for free or by purchase.
>
> I agree that DOIs represent only part of the answer; but they (actionable
> identifiers for published works in general; not just DOIs) represent a major
> part of the answer, and also the most low-hanging fruit of the full answer.
>
> Aloha,
> Rich
>
>> On 12 Sep 2012, at 11:00, Dr.B.J.Tindall wrote:
>>
>> > If I am correctly informed the issue of volume, page, year etc. is not
> directly
>> solved by DOIs. One of the Code relevant issues relates to the principle
> of
>> priority, which relates to the order and time at which names can be
>> considered by the scientific community as either being [code compliant]
> etc.
>> Different articles [made available] at the same time (lets say a weekly
> update
>> of the website of the journal) may have to be resolved by other means.
>> >
>> > The issue is what the Codes require and how this can be addressed to
>> make full use of technology. DOIs are one part of the answer.
>> >
>> > Brian
>> >
>> > Quoting Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>:
>> >
>> >> I agree with Rod on this issue.  Volume, number, pagination, etc. are
>> pieces of metadata that help uniquely identify a paper-printed work.
> Having
>> a DOI (or some other actionable identifier) is a much more effective means
>> of unambiguously referring to a published work, so when such identifiers
> are
>> available (and cited), the traditional citation metadata are much less
> relevant.
>> >>
>> >> We're still in that awkward phase of the history of science where we
> are
>> mostly using the power of the internet to emulate our paper-based model in
>> electronic form - which only scratches the surface of the potential for
>> electronic information dissemination and cross-referencing.  We should
>> instead be looking for ways to leverage this potential without
> unnecessarily
>> imposing the constraints of paper-based information dissemination.  Rod -
> I
>> think this paraphrases a point that you had made a year or two ago.
>> >>
>> >> Aloha,
>> >> Rich
>> >>
>> >> From: Roderic Page [mailto:r.page at bio.gla.ac.uk]
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:12 PM
>> >> To: TAXACOM
>> >> Cc: Peter Cranston; Zhi-Qiang Zhang; Stephen Thorpe; Richard Pyle
>> >> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] e-publication of EarlyView: clarification
>> >> needed
>> >>
>> >> The notion of volume/issue and pagination is rather quaint in the
> digital
>> world, and publishers are rarely in a position to assign these until the
> print
>> version is assembled (if indeed one ever is).
>> >>
>> >> Why the obsession with pagination? If an article is online and has a
> DOI
>> then it's published. Use the DOI to refer to the article. CrossRef has
> tools
>> which can take a DOI and tell you when the article went online (and,
> indeed,
>> when it was printed if that's applicable), and also whether the article
> has
>> been updated (see http://www.crossref.org/crossmark/ ).
>> >>
>> >> Much of the discussion about digital publication seems to have the cart
>> before the horse. Publishers are going digital only, physical pagination
> is less
>> and less relevant, and articles are being given unique identifiers (such
> as
>> DOIs) that provide many of the services we need. I guess we're still
> working
>> this thing out, but it's time to stop treating digital publication as if
> it worked
>> the same way as print.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Rod
>> >>
>> >> On 12 Sep 2012, at 09:24, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Peter,
>> >> Then my strong advice would be to assign volume/issue and final
>> pagination before putting articles up EarlyView. That way, nothing need
>> change at all when the print edition happens (and I would advise against
>> quoting the print publication date in the article itself, after the
> EarlyView
>> version is up - best to just quote it on the editorial pages of the
> issue). Also,
>> please note that all articles will need to be registered in ZooBank in
> advance
>> of EarlyView (but not the new names), so that you can quote the LSID on
> the
>> article itself, along with the online publication date (in the article
> itself, not
>> just on the associated web page). During registration, you will have to
>> nominate an online archive, but there is no actual requirement to actually
>> archive anything!! Without following this process, nothing will count ...
>> >> Cheers, Stephen
>> >>
>> >> From: Peter Cranston
>> >> <pscranston at gmail.com<mailto:pscranston at gmail.com>>
>> >> To: Stephen Thorpe
>> >> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>
>> >> Cc: Richard Pyle
>> >>
>> <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org<mailto:deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>>;
>> >>
>> "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>"
>> >>
>> <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>>;
>> >> Zhi-Qiang Zhang
>> >>
>> <ZhangZ at landcareresearch.co.nz<mailto:ZhangZ at landcareresearch.co.nz>>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012 8:17 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: e-publication of EarlyView: clarification needed
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The EarlyView article in Systematic Entomology (and all other RES
>> >> publications) is final and unalterable. Our Wiley advice is that the
>> >> facility is not preliminary in any sense. Prior to the code emendment
>> >> we did not make any date-sensitive taxonomic decisions 'available'
>> >> electronically. Now we propose to do so.  Pete
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 12 September 2012 16:28, Stephen Thorpe
>> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Rich (CC Peter Cranston, Zhi-Qiang Zhang, and Taxacom),
>> >>
>> >> Please can you clarify something for us? Some journals, like Systematic
>> Entomology, for example, publish EarlyView articles ahead of the print
>> edition (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1111/(ISSN)1365-
>> 3113/earlyview).
>> >> These articles are not assigned to an issue, nor do they have their
> final
>> pagination, but are in all other ways, it seems, final versions. The
> amendment
>> states:
>> >> 21.8.3. Some works are accessible online in preliminary versions before
>> the publication date of the final version. Such advance electronic access
> does
>> not advance the date of publication of a work, as preliminary versions are
> not
>> published (Article 9.9).
>> >> It is a little unclear to me if EarlyView articles like those mentioned
> above,
>> count as final versions before assignment to an issue and final
> pagination? It
>> seems to me that they should count as final versions, because there
> doesn't
>> have to be a print edition any more, and a true e-only journal need not be
>> structured in volumes/issues. Ironically, if you do consider the
> electronic and
>> print editions to be effectively different journals, then the EarlyView
> articles
>> are final versions, but if you don't, then the version changes when the
> print
>> version is finally published ...
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Stephen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Pete Cranston
>> >> Emeritus Professor UCD, California
>> >> Adjunct Professor ANU, Australia
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >> Co-editor Systematic Entomology
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> of
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