[Taxacom] Predatory Open Access Publishers

John Grehan calabar.john at gmail.com
Thu Sep 13 20:27:30 CDT 2012


Kirk,

Using different data sets is certainly specious if the date are homologous.
Please send me pdfs of the two papers you cite so I can see your specific
position.

Thanks,

John

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Kirk Fitzhugh <kfitzhugh at nhm.org> wrote:

> Of course, but too often it isn't done. Consider the epistemically
> specious comparisons of cladograms inferred from different data sets.
>
> On 9/13/2012 3:45 PM, John Grehan wrote:
> > Of course, in the general sense that one should consider all evidence
> > before making one's choices about what evidence to use.
> >
> > John Grehan
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Kirk Fitzhugh <kfitzhugh at nhm.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> John,
> >>
> >> I am referring to the requirement as recognized in all fields of
> >> science. I'm sure you've read the basic literature on the subject that
> >> exists beyond the vacuum of systematics. If not, may I direct you to
> >> these two papers as primers:
> >>
> >> Fitzhugh, K. 2006. The 'requirement of total evidence' and its role in
> >> phylogenetic systematics. Biology & Philosophy 21: 309--351.
> >>
> >> Fitzhugh, K. 2012. The limits of understanding in biological
> >> systematics. Zootaxa 3435: 40--67.
> >>
> >> Kirk
> >>
> >> On 9/13/2012 2:27 PM, John Grehan wrote:
> >>> When it comes to the requirement of 'total evidence' being a 'basic
> >> tenet'
> >>> I would have to say that the demand for combining molecular and
> >>> morphological evidence can be more of a total fraud than a tenet. Since
> >>> Kirk did not specify what he meant by total evidence I do not attribute
> >> the
> >>> molecular sequence/morphology combination to his label, but I would
> >>> certainly point out that the idea of combining the evidence is not
> >>> automatically a basic tenet other than by those who so believe.
> >>>
> >>> John Grehan
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Kirk Fitzhugh <kfitzhugh at nhm.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> I'm reminded of what Stephen Stearns says in a Yale University
> article,
> >>>> 'Some Modest Advice for Graduate Students
> >>>> <http://www.eeb.yale.edu/stearns/advice.htm>:' "The pressure to
> publish
> >>>> has corroded the quality of journals and the quality of intellectual
> >>>> life." Perhaps rather than complaining about 'predatory' journals, we
> >>>> need to change research standards. Stop thinking that the number of
> >>>> publications per year or journal impact factor are reasonable
> indicators
> >>>> of the quality of one's research. As one fluent in philosophy of
> >>>> science, I'm astounded at the poor quality of systematics research
> that
> >>>> regularly gets published in 'high end' journals. We continue to have a
> >>>> community that does not understand some of the most basic tenets of
> >>>> science, e.g. the nature of inference, the requirement of total
> >>>> evidence, or mechanics of hypothesis testing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kirk
> >>>>
> >>>> On 9/13/2012 8:24 AM, Sergio Vargas wrote:
> >>>>> Dear taxacomers:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A colleague gently send a link to a Nature editorial on Open Access
> >>>>> publishing. In case you are interested please find the link(s) below.
> >>>>> I know the topic has been raised before in the list. I think this
> will
> >>>>> be especially important in taxonomy now that e-only publication is
> >>>>> possible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Predatory publishers are corrupting open access:
> >>>>>
> >>
> http://www.nature.com/news/predatory-publishers-are-corrupting-open-access-1.11385
> >>>>> (A) List of predatory open access publishers:
> >>>>> http://scholarlyoa.com/publishers/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> cheers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> sergio
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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