[Taxacom] Journal of Hymenoptera Research - Frequently asked questions by society journals

Lyubomir Penev lyubo.penev at gmail.com
Thu Feb 7 03:00:52 CST 2013


In respond to several inquiries, we have published “Frequently Asked
Questions by society journals that want to move to advanced open access
publishing <http://www.pensoft.net/FAQ-by-society-journals>".*
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We are at disposal for additional questions.

Lyubomir


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:33 PM, James Whitfield
<jwhitfie at life.illinois.edu>wrote:

> Thanks, David! Yes, I appreciate the thoughtful analysis and I think the
> International Society of Hymenopterists is convinced (for the moment at
> least) that it is going in the right direction. I hope so!!! This shift is
> affecting many societies at the moment...
>
> A lingering question from the thread below is an even more significant one
> in my estimation, for Taxacom as a whole.
>
> > why would
> >> the Society collapse if the journal suddenly cost vastly less to
> >> produce (e.g., if they went to online publishing with no print
> >> version)?
>
> As an officer for both ISH (now) and SSB (immediately previously), it is
> becoming evident that belonging to a scientific society in order to get
> the Society's journal is not a very compelling reason for increasing
> membership (especially from students) anymore.
>
> What other benefits are there to belonging to an international scientific
> society?  I would argue that with real participation in such community
> efforts, the long-term payoffs are big, especially for students/postdocs
> becoming involved in the "big picture" items (and the other scientists
> engaged in them) early on.  But it does take PARTICIPATION, not just
> membership.  Our society (and I mean the whole USA and beyond here) as a
> whole doesn't seem to me to be sufficiently emphasizing (or rewarding) the
> value of CONTRIBUTING, not just asking for payoffs.
>
> I am encouraged by the current crop of young systematists, who seem
> willing and eager and up to the challenge...
>
> Jim
>
>
> > After reading a few responses to Donat's message I contacted colleagues
> at
> > Scholarly Publishing and Academic Resources Coalition (SPARC) about the
> > issues being discussed.  Here is the feedback I received which I hope is
> > helpful.
> >
> > David
> >
> > ======================
> >
> > Given the partial thread, it's difficult to know the full scope of the
> > discussion. That said, based on the part you've forwarded, the discussion
> > appears to be conflating two issues: 1) the cost of online-only
> > distribution versus traditional print distribution and 2) the cost and
> > mission benefit of open-access distribution versus subscription
> > distribution.
> >
> > Online-only distribution would lower costs (typically by ~20 - 25%
> > depending on the type of journal), while shifting to open-access
> > distribution would require a new funding model. Discontinuing print, by
> > itself, would eliminate variable costs, but the society's fixed editorial
> > costs would remain. Whether the society is willing/able to cover those
> > costs with a cross-subsidy (or some other supply-side model) will
> > typically depend on financial and cultural issues specific to the
> > society.
> >
> > Assuming that the article processing fees charged by the Journal of
> > Hymenoptera Research have been designed correctly, the journal should be
> > able to remain sustainable even as it increases the volume of articles
> > published. The article fees of the journal are low (~EUR 150), and it's
> > impossible to tell from the outside the extent to which the article-fee
> > revenue is supplemented by revenue from sales of convenience print
> > subscriptions and/or subsidies from the society. In any event, the
> society
> > seems satisfied with the model.
> >
> > More generally, SPARC sponsors a variety of resources for publishers
> > designed to help publishers evaluate and transition to funding models
> > capable of supporting open access dissemination. These are available at:
> > (http://www.arl.org/sparc/publisher/).
> >
> > ========================
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Dean Pentcheff
> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:13 PM
> > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Journal of Hymenoptera Research
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> ...
> >>
> > why would
> >> the Society collapse if the journal suddenly cost vastly less to
> >> produce (e.g., if they went to online publishing with no print
> >> version)?
> >>
> > ...
> >
> > That's a key question here. Does it cost (the society) less to publish in
> > an online open access journal than in the classical commercial publishing
> > model? I don't know (and neither does Donat :). Scientists like me who
> are
> > not intimately involved in the publishing process tend to think that
> > publishing an online Open Source journal should be very cheap. The
> > experience of some recent large-scale Open Source journals argues
> > otherwise — there's been a surprisingly big sticker shock at the final
> > costs of publishing. We need better information, particularly for
> > small-scale operations (e.g. not PLoS ONE).
> >
> >
> >> ...
> >
> > any publication of any society that is NOT being made
> >> available electronically is doing LESS to promote the exposure and
> >> impact of an author's research than would otherwise be the case, and
> >> the argument could therefore be made that publishing in
> >> limited-distribution specialist journals is *bad* for one's
> >> professional development, regardless of how well-targeted the audience
> >> may be.
> >
> > ...
> > Score! Tilt! Jackpot! YesYesYes. I cannot agree more thoroughly. It has
> > always seemed utterly paradoxical to me that a society dedicated to
> > promulgating the study of a subject would deliberately choose to keep its
> > scientific efforts as inaccessible as possible by keeping them behind
> > paywalls. The paradox is semi-resolved if we assume that, in many cases,
> > the people making the society decisions aren't really aware of the modern
> > full spectrum of publishing options.
> >
> >
> >> ...
> >
> > in times like these,
> >> would it not be helpful if professional societies DID use their funds
> >> to actively support taxonomists, rather than simply giving them a
> >> comfortable place to publish?
> >
> >
> > Absolutely. Science is people working, not published results.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Doug Yanega        Dept. of Entomology         Entomology Research
> >> Museum
> >>
> >>
> > -Dean
> > --
> > Dean Pentcheff
> > pentcheff at gmail.com
> > dpentche at nhm.org
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