[Taxacom] Kickstarter for Taxonomy

Michael A. Ivie mivie at montana.edu
Fri Feb 22 15:13:17 CST 2013


Frank,

This is not an answer to Stuart's question, just a redirection. Any time a
broke charity answers questions with "Be assured" rather than "Here are
the data" it is worrying.  Back to Stuart's question:

> Are the finances open for inspection, how and where have they been
> audited/revised? Or re-optimised?

Mike

> As in all service oriented operations, it is mainly salaries. The ICZN
> secretariat is heavily under-staffed, but there are still a few people
> left. Life in London, as you know, is outrageously expensive. Be assured
> that the ICZN does not pay opulent salaries.
>
> Frank
>
> Dr. Frank-T. Krell
> Curator of Entomology
> Commissioner, International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature
> Chair, ICZN ZooBank Committee
> Department of Zoology
> Denver Museum of Nature & Science
> 2001 Colorado Boulevard
> Denver, CO 80205-5798 USA
> Frank.Krell at dmns.org
> Phone: (+1) (303) 370-8244
> Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492
> http://www.dmns.org/science/museum-scientists/frank-krell
> lab page: http://www.dmns.org/krell-lab
>
> The Denver Museum of Nature & Science aspires to create a community of
> critical thinkers who understand the lessons of the past and act as
> responsible stewards of the future.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Stuart Longhorn
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 1:48 PM
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Kickstarter for Taxonomy
>
>
> I suggest is important to know how the ICZN justify the 'trivial' annual
> expense that 'now top $155,000'.
> Because to me at least, that doesn't sound trivial.
>
> Are the finances open for inspection, how and where have they been
> audited/revised? Or re-optimised? Recently?Meetings for example. What cost
> are incurred? Don't most in Western Academia have access to online
> videoconferencing? -> essentially free.Please, somebody tell me how ICZN
> spends $155,000 per year. [or min of $78,000 alleged by Prof Dixon and
> reported by Prof Page.] Before any backlash, I fully wish to say I support
> the ICZN and know the important role played to arbitrate and support
> biodiversity issues.
> But, simplistically to fix a deficit, either earn more money and/or
> reduce/refocus spending. I wish them to first be clear about spending.
> stuart
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr.
> Stuart Longhorn, MSc PhD FLSPostDoctoral Fellow. Hon. Res. Assoc. Oxford
> University Museum of Natural History
> Email:
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> > > http://www.mendeley.com/profiles/stuart-longhorn/> >
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/stuart-longhorn/a/a74/877
>
>
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>>    1. Kickstarter for Taxonomy (Jim Croft)
>>    2. Re: Kickstarter for Taxonomy (Kim van der Linde)
>>    3. Re: Kickstarter for Taxonomy (Frank.Krell at dmns.org)
>>    4. Re: Kickstarter for Taxonomy (CSTURMJR at pitt.edu)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 23:39:09 +1100
>> From: Jim Croft <jim.croft at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Taxacom] Kickstarter for Taxonomy
>> To: Taxacom <TAXACOM at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
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>> For $10 you get... one random weevil, with all six legs, named to
>> family...
>> For $100 you get...
>> etc...
>>
>> http://iphylo.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-end-of-names-iczn-in-financial.html
>>
>> Never really thought about the financials of how Botany does its
>> stuff. I guess it is from subscriptions to IAPT/Taxon?
>>
>> jim
>>
>> --
>> _________________
>> Jim Croft ~ jim.croft at gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc
>> 'Without the freedom to criticize, there is no true praise.
>> - Pierre Beaumarchais
>> 'Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to
>> pause and reflect.'
>> - Mark Twain
>> 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point
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>>  - Robert Frost
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:52:41 -0500
>> From: Kim van der Linde <kim at kimvdlinde.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Kickstarter for Taxonomy
>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
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>> How many people are on this list? If everybody would chip in 25 dollar,
>> I think they would be more than half way to solvency.
>>
>> Kim
>>
>>   On 2/22/2013 7:39 AM, Jim Croft wrote:
>> > For $10 you get... one random weevil, with all six legs, named to
>> family...
>> > For $100 you get...
>> > etc...
>> >
>> > http://iphylo.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-end-of-names-iczn-in-financial.html
>> >
>> > Never really thought about the financials of how Botany does its
>> > stuff. I guess it is from subscriptions to IAPT/Taxon?
>> >
>> > jim
>> >
>> > --
>> > _________________
>> > Jim Croft ~ jim.croft at gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc
>> > 'Without the freedom to criticize, there is no true praise.
>> > - Pierre Beaumarchais
>> > 'Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to
>> > pause and reflect.'
>> > - Mark Twain
>> > 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point
>> > of doubtful sanity.'
>> >   - Robert Frost
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 09:49:59 -0700
>> From: <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Kickstarter for Taxonomy
>> To: <kim at kimvdlinde.com>, <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
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>> I have just seen that on the new ICZN webpage there now is a 'donate'
>> button, accepting credit and other cards (through PayPal),
>> http://iczn.org/ .
>>
>> Donating to the ICZN directly seems to be preferable. If, for US tax
>> purposes, a donation needs to be made to an US entity, then the American
>> Association for Zoological Nomenclature might be an option,
>> http://aazn.org/default.asp?action=membership . They are registered with
>> the IRS and support the ICZN (they actually sent a check of $10,000 to
>> the ICZN in 2011!) Membership is $20/yr.
>>
>> The sums the ICZN needs to function seem to be trivial, but they are not
>> so trivial if you don't have them. It is a worrisome situation.
>>
>> Thanks for all your help!
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> Dr. Frank-T. Krell
>> Curator of Entomology
>> Commissioner, International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature
>> Chair, ICZN ZooBank Committee
>> Department of Zoology
>> Denver Museum of Nature & Science
>> 2001 Colorado Boulevard
>> Denver, CO 80205-5798 USA
>> Frank.Krell at dmns.org
>> Phone: (+1) (303) 370-8244
>> Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492
>> http://www.dmns.org/science/museum-scientists/frank-krell
>> lab page: http://www.dmns.org/krell-lab
>>
>> The Denver Museum of Nature & Science aspires to create a community of
>> critical thinkers who understand the lessons of the past and act as
>> responsible stewards of the future.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Kim van der
>> Linde
>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 8:53 AM
>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Kickstarter for Taxonomy
>>
>> How many people are on this list? If everybody would chip in 25 dollar,
>> I think they would be more than half way to solvency.
>>
>> Kim
>>
>>   On 2/22/2013 7:39 AM, Jim Croft wrote:
>> > For $10 you get... one random weevil, with all six legs, named to
>> family...
>> > For $100 you get...
>> > etc...
>> >
>> > http://iphylo.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-end-of-names-iczn-in-financia
>> > l.html
>> >
>> > Never really thought about the financials of how Botany does its
>> > stuff. I guess it is from subscriptions to IAPT/Taxon?
>> >
>> > jim
>> >
>> > --
>> > _________________
>> > Jim Croft ~ jim.croft at gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc
>> > 'Without the freedom to criticize, there is no true praise.
>> > - Pierre Beaumarchais
>> > 'Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to
>> > pause and reflect.'
>> > - Mark Twain
>> > 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point
>> > of doubtful sanity.'
>> >   - Robert Frost
>> >
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>> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:12:01 -0500
>> From: CSTURMJR at pitt.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Kickstarter for Taxonomy
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>> For those interested in this option, one can go to the ICZN website and
>> make a donation by credit card or Paypal.  I would also encourage those
>> in
>> the United States to join the American Association of Zoological
>> Nomenclature whose mission is to support the ICZN. They seem to be a low
>> budget organization and the funds that they raise go to support the ICZN
>> and its mission.
>>
>>
>> > How many people are on this list? If everybody would chip in 25
>> dollar,
>> > I think they would be more than half way to solvency.
>> >
>> > Kim
>> >
>> >   On 2/22/2013 7:39 AM, Jim Croft wrote:
>> >> For $10 you get... one random weevil, with all six legs, named to
>> >> family...
>> >> For $100 you get...
>> >> etc...
>> >>
>> >> http://iphylo.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-end-of-names-iczn-in-financial.html
>> >>
>> >> Never really thought about the financials of how Botany does its
>> >> stuff. I guess it is from subscriptions to IAPT/Taxon?
>> >>
>> >> jim
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> _________________
>> >> Jim Croft ~ jim.croft at gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~
>> http://about.me/jrc
>> >> 'Without the freedom to criticize, there is no true praise.
>> >> - Pierre Beaumarchais
>> >> 'Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to
>> >> pause and reflect.'
>> >> - Mark Twain
>> >> 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point
>> >> of doubtful sanity.'
>> >>   - Robert Frost
>> >>
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