[Taxacom] Kickstarter for Taxonomy

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Fri Feb 22 16:35:50 CST 2013


Call me cynical, but there has been some discussion on this on Twitter already, and some of us tend to the view that video conferencing would be a better and cheaper alternative to face to face meetings, so I guess it would be interesting to know how much ICZN money gets spent on travel/accommodation/catering etc. for meetings?



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As in all service oriented operations, it is mainly salaries. The ICZN secretariat is heavily under-staffed, but there are still a few people left. Life in London, as you know, is outrageously expensive. Be assured that the ICZN does not pay opulent salaries.

Frank

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I suggest is important to know how the ICZN justify the 'trivial' annual expense that 'now top $155,000'.
Because to me at least, that doesn't sound trivial.

Are the finances open for inspection, how and where have they been audited/revised? Or re-optimised? Recently?Meetings for example. What cost are incurred? Don't most in Western Academia have access to online videoconferencing? -> essentially free.Please, somebody tell me how ICZN spends $155,000 per year. [or min of $78,000 alleged by Prof Dixon and reported by Prof Page.] Before any backlash, I fully wish to say I support the ICZN and know the important role played to arbitrate and support biodiversity issues.
But, simplistically to fix a deficit, either earn more money and/or reduce/refocus spending. I wish them to first be clear about spending.
stuart

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> For $10 you get... one random weevil, with all six legs, named to family...
> For $100 you get...
> etc...
> 
> http://iphylo.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-end-of-names-iczn-in-financial.html
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> Never really thought about the financials of how Botany does its
> stuff. I guess it is from subscriptions to IAPT/Taxon?
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> How many people are on this list? If everybody would chip in 25 dollar, 
> I think they would be more than half way to solvency.
> 
> Kim
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>  On 2/22/2013 7:39 AM, Jim Croft wrote:
> > For $10 you get... one random weevil, with all six legs, named to family...
> > For $100 you get...
> > etc...
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> > http://iphylo.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-end-of-names-iczn-in-financial.html
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> > Never really thought about the financials of how Botany does its
> > stuff. I guess it is from subscriptions to IAPT/Taxon?
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> I have just seen that on the new ICZN webpage there now is a 'donate' button, accepting credit and other cards (through PayPal), http://iczn.org/ . 
> 
> Donating to the ICZN directly seems to be preferable. If, for US tax purposes, a donation needs to be made to an US entity, then the American Association for Zoological Nomenclature might be an option, http://aazn.org/default.asp?action=membership . They are registered with the IRS and support the ICZN (they actually sent a check of $10,000 to the ICZN in 2011!) Membership is $20/yr.
> 
> The sums the ICZN needs to function seem to be trivial, but they are not so trivial if you don't have them. It is a worrisome situation.
> 
> Thanks for all your help!
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> Frank
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> How many people are on this list? If everybody would chip in 25 dollar, I think they would be more than half way to solvency.
> 
> Kim
> 
>  On 2/22/2013 7:39 AM, Jim Croft wrote:
> > For $10 you get... one random weevil, with all six legs, named to family...
> > For $100 you get...
> > etc...
> >
> > http://iphylo.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-end-of-names-iczn-in-financia
> > l.html
> >
> > Never really thought about the financials of how Botany does its 
> > stuff. I guess it is from subscriptions to IAPT/Taxon?
> >
> > jim
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> For those interested in this option, one can go to the ICZN website and
> make a donation by credit card or Paypal.  I would also encourage those in
> the United States to join the American Association of Zoological
> Nomenclature whose mission is to support the ICZN. They seem to be a low
> budget organization and the funds that they raise go to support the ICZN
> and its mission.
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> > How many people are on this list? If everybody would chip in 25 dollar,
> > I think they would be more than half way to solvency.
> >
> > Kim
> >
> >  On 2/22/2013 7:39 AM, Jim Croft wrote:
> >> For $10 you get... one random weevil, with all six legs, named to
> >> family...
> >> For $100 you get...
> >> etc...
> >>
> >> http://iphylo.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-end-of-names-iczn-in-financial.html
> >>
> >> Never really thought about the financials of how Botany does its
> >> stuff. I guess it is from subscriptions to IAPT/Taxon?
> >>
> >> jim
> >>
> >> --
> >> _________________
> >> Jim Croft ~ jim.croft at gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc
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> >> - Pierre Beaumarchais
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> >> pause and reflect.'
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