[Taxacom] Data quality of aggregated datasets

Dean Pentcheff pentcheff at gmail.com
Mon May 6 16:35:44 CDT 2013


Quite.

See page 24 for precise details (and a whole lot of other good
georeferencing best practices):
    http://www.gbif.org/orc/?doc_id=1288

-Dean
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Dean Pentcheff
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On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu> wrote:

> On 5/6/13 12:10 AM, Quentin Groom wrote:
> > Unfortunately, a common problem is that taxonomists fail to record the
> > Geodetic System or Datum they are using, which leaves the aggregators to
> > guess, sometime wrongly.
> > Worst still there have been many occasions where GPS are not set up
> > correctly and give the wrong output.
> > Before the recent advent of the the GPS I would not guarantee the
> > accuracy of any grid reference made in open country.
> > This also underlines the importance of collectors/recorders creating an
> > accurate site name with which the grid reference can be validated.
> > Quentin
> >
> It's funny how often I hear people make this claim, yet the reality of
> it is absurd in its precision. I once asked a friend of mine - an actual
> world authority on georeferencing - what sort of offset would result for
> a position in the US that was recorded in one map datum and displayed in
> a different one. He said, with ominous tones, "Why, that could easily be
> 100 meters error!". I laughed in his face, and offended him terribly. As
> someone who manages a museum full of specimens we are presently
> georeferencing, and as someone who studies mobile organisms, I find
> several things about this absurd: (1) with very, very, very few
> exceptions, one will typically not find a specimen label that can be
> said to be accurate to within 100 meters. That actually includes most
> labels that have GPS readings, since most specimen labels in existence
> are attached to *insect* specimens, and since most entomologists who
> carry GPS units take a single reading for a collecting site but wander
> beyond that exact point, sometimes with a wandering radius approaching a
> kilometer. Accordingly, the intrinsic uncertainty on a legacy
> georeference (generally from 1-5 km) is typically MUCH greater than
> whatever error could possibly result from using the wrong datum. (2)
> More to the point, perhaps, is that prior to the invention of GPS units,
> virtually no specimen labels actually GAVE a latitude/longitude, so the
> odds of a label containing coordinates from any datum other than WGS 84
> are very, very slim. That means that legacy material being georeferenced
> NOW is almost all being given coordinates based on a resource like
> Google Earth, /which uses WGS 84/. So, it doesn't make any difference at
> all whether a data provider says anything about it; an aggregator that
> *assumes* WGS 84 as default is almost never going to be wrong (and even
> if so, the error radius is almost always large enough to encompass
> this). (3) For a mobile organism, if one is using a georeference either
> as an indicator of habitat (i.e., for GIS analyses) or for trying to go
> back to re-collect additional specimens, a 100 meter error is, with
> very, very, very few exceptions, utterly trivial. I have this vision of
> a biologist with a GPS unit, staring intensely at the screen, walking to
> the exact point the database gave them, looking up, and noticing that
> they've just walked off the edge of a cliff, and then gravity takes
> hold, /a la/ Wile E. Coyote. If you're within 100 meters of the spot a
> specimen was collected, any failure to re-collect it is NOT going to be
> because you were looking in the wrong place.
>
> In a practical sense, since the error radius is an essential parameter
> of any legitimate georeferencing effort, and since that radius always
> takes the *maximum* possible value, potential datum error almost never
> would exceed that radius, and can therefore be safely ignored. Yes, I
> know there will be cries of "Heresy!", but of all the myriad things that
> are LEGITIMATE causes for concern when one is producing or using
> georeferenced data, the map datum is the *least* of our worries. Sure,
> it would be NICE if we didn't introduce that sort of error, but it isn't
> worth WORRYING about it - if I'm paying a data entry technician by the
> hour, I'm not going to have them waste a single minute of their time
> dealing with map datum issues as opposed to, say, making sure the label
> doesn't give the wrong county, or have spelling errors. I can't imagine
> ever being persuaded otherwise.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> --
> Doug Yanega      Dept. of Entomology       Entomology Research Museum
> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314     skype: dyanega
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