[Taxacom] Wulf Schleip – Plagiarisation - an example everyone here can ch...

Peter Hovenkamp phovenkamp at casema.nl
Wed May 29 13:40:25 CDT 2013


And where is Godwin when you need him? ;-)

Peter Hovenkamp

On 29-5-2013 16:41, Jose Fernandez Triana wrote:
> Even simpler than banning -and very effective, IMHO: Just ignore all messages coming from those researchers. Delete them without even open it. And do not reply to them -not even to tell them that they are wrong, or to ask them to stop. If we complete ignore the whole stuff, at some point they will get tired of keeping this thread -a thread that MIGHT have had some value at the beginning, but is long past its time by now...
>
> My two cents on this thread, and I even broke my own advice of not replying to it!
>
> Jose
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robinwbruce at aol.com
> To: timastrop at gmail.com
> Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:29:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Wulf Schleip – Plagiarisation - an example everyone here can ch...
>
> I do not know of a ban-hammer, but can we not ALL just invoke  'the golden
> rule' ?
>   
> Robin
>   
>   
>   
> In a message dated 5/29/2013 3:12:41 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
> timastrop at gmail.com writes:
>
> I  wholeheartedly agree with Angelo* ' **This is absolutely unprofessional
> and  annoying'*. Do we not have a ban-hammer?
>
> *Tim Astrop, PhD  Candidate*
> Program in Integrative Bioscience, The University of  Akron
> timastrop.wordpress.com  <http://www.timastrop.wordpress.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May  29, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Angelo Bolzern <
> angelo.bolzern at arachnodet.com>  wrote:
>
>> As a postoc working on taxonomy, I can not understand how  anyone can
>> waist so much time in blaming others and searching the  internet for
>> "bad posts" when there is so much to do in our core field  of work! So,
>> please follow the suggestions from others and stop  posting this things
>> on that list. This is absolutely unprofessional  and annoying.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>   Angelo
>>
>>
>> Zitat von Raymond Hoser Snakeman Snakebusters  Reptile Parties
>> <viper007 at live.com.au>:
>>
>>   >
>>> Wulf Schleip
>>> –  Plagiarisation.
>>>
>>> Dear
>>> all,
>>   >
>>> if you
>>> want to have an idea of the kind of  caper’s our good friend Wulf
> Schleip
>> gets
>>> up to, I  suggest you all go to Wikipedia in a hurry and look at some of
>>   the
>>> older “Leiopython” pages to see some of the rubbish he has  put in his
>> edited
>>> versions, before he does what Wolfgang  Wuster recently did and had
>>> some old Wikipedia
>>> edits  deleted!
>>>
>>> Try for
>>> example his edit of 10  November 2007.
>>>
>>> There
>>> he wrote:
>>   >
>>> “Leiopython is a monotypic genus
>>> created for  the nonvenomous
>>>
>>> python species, L.  albertisii,
>>> found in New Guinea.
>>>
>>>   No
>>> subspecies are currently recognized.[4]”
>>>
>>   > Well
>>> that is the first lie as he knew of the Hoser 2000  paper recognising
> two
>>> subspecies!
>>>
>>>   Under
>>> the heading “Taxonomy” at the far bottom of the page he  wrote:
>>>
>>> “new species L. hoserae, and two new  subspecies L. albertisii
>>> barkeri and L. a. bennetti, are  described in Hoser (2000).[11] [12]
>>> However, these descriptions  are
>>> considered vague and questionable.[13][14]”
>>   >
>>> These linked numbers were to peals of wisdom in the  form
>>> of two rants from his good mate and co-author of smear,  Wolfgang
> Wuster!
>>> Then fast foreward to 13 December  2008 where Schleip
>>> vandalises the page again to write:
>>   >
>>>   “A new species L.
>>> hoserae, and two new  subspecies L.
>>>
>>> albertisii barkeri and L. a.  bennetti,
>>> were described in Hoser
>>>
>>>   (2000),[10] [11] but these
>>> descriptions are considered vague  and
>>>
>>> questionable.[12][13] In 2008,  Schleip[3]
>>> redescribed two of
>>>
>>> Hoser's  (2000) taxa, providing proper
>>> desciptions and diagnoses for the  taxa found valid. A third,
>>>
>>> Leiopython  albertisii
>>> barkeri was
>>> considered a nomen nudum due  to Hoser not having provided a
>>>
>>> description that  includes characters
>>> to differentiate this taxon from others[3].  Furthermore,
>>>
>>> Leiopython albertisii
>>>   was
>>> put back to specific rank, and additionally, three new  species were
>>>
>>> introduced[3].”
>>>
>>   > Yes the
>>> linked “papers” were more smear from himself and  Wuster and you may
>>> say it may
>>> not be plagiarisation  in it’s purest form, but it is certainly
> unethical
>>> behaviour none  the less.
>>>
>>> In
>>> terms of Wulf Schleip, the  amateur snake keeper from Germany, he did
>> after
>>> spending  7 years knowingly denying a valid species that was properly
>>>   described
>>> by another person (that he had a hatred of), he then  publishes a paper
>> (in
>>> December 2008) and then goes global  on the web wherever he can get his
>> grubby
>>> hands and tries  to steal the credit for doing an allegedly “proper
>>>   description”
>>> and then seeks to manufacture the alleged fact he  did a “proper
>>> description” by
>>> repeatedly posting on  sites like Wikipedia to peddle the lie.
>>>
>>>
>>   >
>>> PS – If
>>> Schleip deletes the Wikipedia entries,  I have saved copies!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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