[Taxacom] Thesis and new species

Thomas Pape TPape at snm.ku.dk
Thu Nov 14 04:58:35 CST 2013

>>> The crux lies in "obtainable", and to me this means that if I am in
the right place, on time, with sufficient money, I can get a copy.

The word "obtain" needs not imply formal ownership. Note also that your
"if" may not be provable. Given evidence that somebody somehow
"obtained" a copy when the work was issued, the conclusion in
ICodeZN-context will be that the work was obtainable.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Paul van
Sent: 14. november 2013 10:49
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Thesis and new species

The case where nobody buys or gets a copy is a different issue (if
nobody ever saw a copy, how can anybody know what is in the book?).

Entire print runs being destroyed may be rare, but it is conceivable and
I know of at least one case where it happened (in WW II, through an
aerial bombardment), with something like one or two copies surviving:
this is counted as not published as the destruction happened before it
was "distributed".

The crux lies in "obtainable", and to me this means that if I am in the
right place, on time, with sufficient money, I can get a copy. A single
library having a copy forced on them does not appear to me to meet this

Note that the ICNafp does not speak of "obtainable", but of
"distribution" with libraries explicitly mentioned as being sufficient.

----- Original Message -----
From: <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
To: <dipteryx at freeler.nl>; <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Thesis and new species

The Code only requires that it has been produced in a print run, and
that it
must be obtainable when first issued.
Any print run can burn. In your example, the thesis was obtainable when
first issued. It wasn't obtainable shortly after that, but this is
Seems weird to you? Yes. But the destruction of a whole print run, in a
warehouse of a publisher, or in a garage of a self-publisher, or in a
of an author, is pretty rare.
The distribution of a published work cannot be regulated. If a book has
produced in a print run of 10,000, but nobody wants to buy it, it is
published under the Code.

And then there is the trend that print runs getting less common as even
commercial publishers produce digitally, meaning on demand.

Dissertations is an issue. They were often produced and distributed in a
higher number of copies than "traditional" published books. UMI or the
British Thesis Service have been offering them for purchase. I bought
from university libraries directly (e.g. from South Africa). They were
much more easily obtainable than books from smaller publishers. Still,
(or many of us) consider them unpublished because that's what we always
(not sure if there is any other reason).
If Dissertations contain nomenclatural acts, and the author wants to
them again separately in 12 different papers, then he/she has to include
disclaimer in the thesis to avoid a mess.


Dr. Frank-T. Krell
Curator of Entomology
Commissioner, International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature
Chair, ICZN ZooBank Committee
Department of Zoology
Denver Museum of Nature & Science
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Frank.Krell at dmns.org
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