[Taxacom] Reality check - lies and hate by academic fraud Wolfgang Wuster on Wikipedia!

John Grehan calabar.john at gmail.com
Thu Oct 10 13:12:28 CDT 2013


I am in agreement with the general sentiment as well. I thought afterwards
that I should have included a caveat regarding topic (although only for the
extremes of the kind that Alan described.

John Grehan


On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Richard Jensen <rjensen at saintmarys.edu>wrote:

> I agree with Alan.  The list moderator has responsibility and authority to
> delete off-topic/inappropriate postings and  Alan's points are on target.
>
> Further, in today's litigious environment, a list moderator who allowed
> such postings to be distributed could become the target of a lawsuit for
> disseminating libelous statements.
> .
> Dick J
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Weakley, Alan <weakley at bio.unc.edu>wrote:
>
>> Jim has not proposed banning anyone (other than as a last resort) --
>> "moderating" is a moderate and appropriate response to what I and many
>> others (I am sure) consider a misuse of the list.
>>
>> Some of Ray Hoser's posts have raised interesting points about the ICZN
>> (and by extension the ICN), "regulation" of nomenclature, and even
>> "taxonomic rivalries"; I'll happily read (or at least glance at) anyone's
>> (including his) posts that are ON TOPIC for this listserv.  Simple use of
>> the delete button is appropriate for a string of only peripheral interest
>> that goes on beyond one's interest level.   That is not what has been going
>> on here, though.  There is a limit to what a listserv should and can
>> tolerate and remain a useful vehicle for discussion of professional topics.
>>  Australian legal cases involving the display of de-venomized snakes are
>> not on topic, nor whether someone's daughters were allegedly treated
>> inappropriately by police.  Hoser may or may not have been ill-used by
>> "Wuster's gang" but the only relevant topics for this listserv relate to
>> actual issues about taxonomy and nomenclature.  Discussions of the merits
>> and demerits of proposals related to the ICZN are ON TOPIC, and Hoser,
>> Wuster, and any other member should be welcome to weigh in on those,
>> without ad hominem attacks.
>>
>> If members were repeatedly posting sales notices for their saleboat, or
>> porn links, or non-taxonomically-related tirades against Tea Party
>> Republicans, Ed Milliband, the UN, or the pope -- would anyone say "just
>> use the delete button"?  Keeping the listserv minimally and broadly "on
>> topic" is necessary and appropriate; it is not censorship.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:
>> taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Lahr
>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:36 AM
>> To: John Grehan
>> Cc: TaxaCom
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Reality check - lies and hate by academic fraud
>> Wolfgang Wuster on Wikipedia!
>>
>> +1 to John.
>>
>> Ignoring is superior to banning, IMHO. Not replying or not giving any
>> attention to spammers, flammers, is also a very effective way to get them
>> to quiet down. People need to learn to use filters, sorters, and all of the
>> wonderful tools sitting right there inside your browser/email viewer.
>>
>> BUT, the owners of the list have decided, hence we should just abide.
>>
>> cheerio,
>> __________________________________
>> Daniel J. G. Lahr
>> PhD, Assist. Prof.
>> Dept of Zoology, Univ. of Sao Paulo, Brazil Office number: + 55 (11)
>> 3091 0948
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM, John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Raymond's main transgression seems to me) to be that he continues to
>> > use this venue to disparage various colleagues in a repetitive and
>> > uninformative manner. I always worry about calls to ban something
>> > (after all the prestigious journal Systematic Biology has allowed
>> > publications effectively calling for the banning of panbiogeography).
>> > Rather than banning, why not use the delete button or a sorting
>> > function? At various times subscribers on this list have got tired of
>> > a particular topic and want the thread to end while others want to
>> > continue. Any list is not going to make everyone happy all of the
>> > time. There are often topics discussed at great length on this list
>> > that do not interest me. But I do not complain about that as they are
>> > of interest to others. So I just delete - only takes a few seconds.
>> > There are list members who use this for some of my postings and that
>> > is quite ok with me. Better than banning postings or burning books.
>> >
>> > John Grehan
>> >
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