[Taxacom] New systematics book
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Sun Sep 8 23:04:23 CDT 2013
First I want to say that, from all the agreement on this list that
species are not entities in nature, it seems that pattern cladistics has
won, and those of us who studied (and perhaps still study) speciation
could have done no worse by studying unicorns. All the rest of what I
write is based on the assumption that species are the result of an
evolutionary process, and to that extent (at least) are real. I surmise
that you agree.
I accept paraphyletic species, and in fact my own studies suggested
several examples. What I have never understood is how the existence of
paraphyletic species provides a general justification for paraphyletic
higher taxa. If the pattern of character distribution in extant lineages
showed, say, four lineages that share a synapomorphy, three of them have
distinct autapomorphies, and the fourth has no autapomorphies, that
could be suggestive of ancient peripatric speciation. And it would be a
clear case for a polytomy in a cladogram. But paraphyletic taxa like
Reptilia (sensu antiquo) and Dicotyledonae are most often the result of
gaps in knowledge; it's hard for me to imagine the existence of
peripatric speciation justifying them.
On 2013-09-08 1:35 PM, Richard Zander wrote:
> " ... parsimony and other optimality analyses only work with accuracy
> with pseudoextinction (dying ancestor, two new species). The correct
> optimality for branching analysis is that which makes the shortest (most
> likely, most credible) tree given identified surviving ancestors and
> their daughter taxa based on other information. This is merely, MERELY
> less precise, correctly less precise and therefore with more uncertainty
> about evolutionary relationships.
This is a methodological issue, not a conceptual one. There are many
other problems with parsimony as well (including long branch attraction
for molecular data). I don't see how this supports recognition of
One of the reasons that the results of the Angiosperm Phylogeny Group
are so widely accepted is that the groups are things we were considering
anyway, but didn't quite have the evidence for. In a previous post, I
gave some examples from Scrophulariaceae s.l.; plant taxonomists have
known for years that the family was heterogeneous, and now we have a few
more lines of evidence to convince us of that. Just because some people
make classifications from bootstrapped molecular parsimony trees with no
other input doesn't invalidate cladistics.
> "... molecular "lineages" are molecular strains, and ancestral taxa in
> stasis generate lots of molecular strains before and after generation of
> one or more daughter species. The DNA continues to mutate in isolation
> while expressed traits remain in stasis for millions of years. Molecular
> phylogenetics gives precise sister group analyses of extant strains, not
> taxa. Evidence? Molecular paraphyly. What about extinct or unsampled
> strains? They could have diverged molecularly long before or after any
> extant strain."
This is again methodological. The lack of congruence of many gene trees
is well-known, as are the evolutionary processes resulting in the lack
of congruence. Again, no basis here for general recognition of
paraphyletic higher taxa.
Within the eukaryotes, the general pattern of groups within groups is
pervasive. Peripatric speciation, hybrid speciation, and lateral gene
transfer are all fascinating processes that certainly muddy the waters,
but there are a lot of "just-so stories" lurking in Bessey's Cactus and
its descendents. Perhaps your book has a methodological framework to
address that (I presented a method for defining grades a year or two
ago, but you neither challenged nor agreed).
And as far as "phylogenetic jargon has taken a life of its own," it's
perhaps not a good idea to redefine terms like monophyly yet again.
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