[Taxacom] counting the number of species on Earth ... for the Ark

John Grehan calabar.john at gmail.com
Tue Feb 25 19:40:50 CST 2014

What does the "choice between evidence and belief" really mean. Is the
implication that scientists are ruled by "evidence" rather than belief. If
one tries to invoke an absolute demarcation one risks running around in
circles. After all, the journal Natural History regarded intelligent design
as having sufficient scientific respectability to appear in their
publication whereas a cladistic evidence for the orangutan origin of human
ancestry was not. And is it evidence or belief by which some scientists and
editors think it is scientific to ban some scientific endeavors (such as
panbiogeography). Any attempt to denigrate the thinking of creationists
only opens up evolutionists to the same.

John Grehan

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Curtis Clark <lists at curtisclark.org> wrote:

> On 2014-02-24 7:31 AM, Fred Schueler wrote:
> > * it's been suggested that this Oxymoronic field is a bogus reply to a
> > TAXACOM post by Curtis Clark: "...
> I'd flatter myself if I thought it true, but my first reaction to
> learning about baraminology was "Oh, shit." I'm glad the young-earth
> creationists are using the Ark as constraint and invoking
> hyperevolution, though, since it is absurdist icing on a
> pseudoscientific cake
> On 2014-02-24 11:28 AM, David Campbell wrote:
> > Actually, there are at least one or two creation scientists (such as Kurt
> > Wise) who actually try to tackle the question of where the boundary lies
> > between supposed within-kind variation and separately created forms.
> On that basis I'd be willing to call these individuals scientists. But
> at some point they will still be faced with the choice between evidence
> and belief.
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