[Taxacom] A good year indeed!

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Thu Nov 13 15:53:18 CST 2014

So the overly positive spin Mike is trying to impose on the situation is unbalanced, right?
On Fri, 14/11/14, Richard Jensen <rjensen at saintmarys.edu> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] A good year indeed!
 To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 Cc: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, "mivie at montana.edu" <mivie at montana.edu>
 Received: Friday, 14 November, 2014, 9:35 AM
 long as we don't forget about genetic drift, then there
 is a kernel of truth to what Mike says.  And,
 unfortunately, there are often instances in which those who
 survive (get hired, "earn" tenure), do so by
 virtue of politics and personalities.  I have seen several
 such cases and colleagues have told me about others. 
 It's the nature of the beast, and all any of us can do
 is try our best to ensure that those selected and retained
 have succeeded by virtue of the quality of their
 Dick J
 On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at
 4:01 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 Who has
 the right to decide what is or isn't "good
 enough" or "best enough"? If those who end up
 with the jobs are by definition the "best enough",
 then it is meaningless circularity ...
 On Fri, 14/11/14, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu>
  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] A good year indeed!
  To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
  Received: Friday, 14 November, 2014, 8:32 AM
  On further reflection, I may
  see where you misunderstood.  Social
  Darwinism is the idea of the survival of the
  fittest.  It is absolute,
  and the social
  losers lose because of a fault of their own.
  This has nothing to do with my
  comments. It is more the "survival of the
  fit enough."  Do not look at it from the
  individual side, where the
  underemployed in
  our science cannot be said to be deficient, but from
  the health of the science, where those who
  "win" a job are as an
  a highly selected pool of excellence.  This makes
  for any individual, as the
  "best" might never get a job, but the
  enough" does.  However, I am talking
  about the future of insect
  systematics, and
  it is looking solid.  Many jobs this year, and a large
  pool of excellence.
  11/13/2014 1:00 PM, JF Mate wrote:
  As in all human enterprises, the laws of Malthus apply
  our science.Our "reproductive capacity" is
  higher than the carrying capacity of our institutions.
  will always be a larger supply of propagules than can
  survive (i.e. be provided academic jobs), and selection
  take the best and discard the others, often a majority.
  cohorts will have very strong selection, so that a tiny
  percentage make it through, and at other times
  will be relaxed, and a larger percentage will make it.
  course, this means that sometimes very excellent
  will be discarded in lean times, and less excellent
  will make it through in fat times. However, the
  reproductive rate will always provide a diverse pool
  different attributes and abilities, so that the overall
  resulting set will be maximally beneficial to the
  > Mike, you are flogging a dead horse with a
  new stick. Do you think it
  > wise to
  appeal to social darwinism to support your own personal
  > opinion?
  > Best
  > Jason
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 Saint Mary's College
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