[Taxacom] Which is accepted name Acacia modesta Wall. or Senegalia modesta (Wall.) P. J. H. Hutter

Gurcharan Singh singhg45 at gmail.com
Sat Oct 18 22:12:24 CDT 2014


My question remains the same
Can the basionym and combination name both be considered as accepted names
in the same list? If yes, I think concept of synonym name has to be
forgotten.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
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On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Gurcharan Singh <singhg45 at gmail.com> wrote:

> My question remains the same
> Can the basionym and combination name both be considered as accepted names
> in the same list? If yes, I think concept of synonym name has to be
> forgotten.
>
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired  Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Dr Stephen L. Jury <
> stephenjury21 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> This example is surely a question of splitting and lumping. It seems that
>> nowadays the genus Acacia is divided into more than one genus and the type
>> has been conserved, rather controversially at a recent International
>> Botanical Congress. If you like very large genera then Acacia modesta is
>> correct, but if you split them, then Senegalia modesta is to be used.
>>
>> Dr Stephen L. Jury
>> Honorary Research Fellow
>> University of Reading
>>
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>> ----Original message----
>> From : singhg45 at gmail.com
>> Date : 11/10/2014 - 15:55 (GMTDT)
>> To : aceska at telus.net
>> Cc : taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Subject : Re: [Taxacom] Which is accepted name Acacia modesta Wall. or
>> Senegalia modesta (Wall.) P. J. H. Hutter
>>
>> Here it is not the example of homotypic synonyms, one is a basionym one is
>> a combination based on that basionym, but unfortunately both are treated
>> at
>> as accepted names. IPNI is fairy accurate website. The Plant List claimed
>> to sort accepted names and synonyms (as first two volumes of Index
>> Kewensis
>> did, Courtesy Sir J D Hooker), but seems to have miserably failed. The
>> second version to me appears worst than First, the number of unresolved
>> names having increased. Does our Code have any provision/status for
>> unresolved names?
>>
>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>> Retired  Associate Professor
>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Adolf Ceska <aceska at telus.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Two names based on the same type are common and they are called
>> "homotypic
>> > synonyms".
>> > Adolf Ceska
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of
>> > Paul Kirk
>> > Sent: October-11-14 5:28 AM
>> > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Which is accepted name Acacia modesta Wall. or
>> > Senegalia modesta (Wall.) P. J. H. Hutter
>> >
>> > I think the point here is that the application of names is determined by
>> > types and that in the Plant [Check-]List, assuming the intention is to
>> > adopt a single taxonomy (as is the case for all checklist, otherwise it
>> > would be just a list of names - i.e. a nomenclator), to include two
>> > different names based on the same type is an error ... one of many
>> > according to Gurcharan. Or am I missing something?
>> >
>> > The other Paul ... :-)
>> > ________________________________________
>> > From: Taxacom [taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Paul
>> van
>> > Rijckevorsel [dipteryx at freeler.nl]
>> > Sent: 11 October 2014 09:05
>> > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Which is accepted name Acacia modesta Wall. or
>> >  Senegalia modesta (Wall.) P. J. H. Hutter
>> >
>> > Well, as a general rule, the accepted name depends on the taxonomy
>> adopted.
>> >
>> > In this case, if a traditional sense of the genus Acacia is adopted, the
>> > name Acacia modesta may be used. If a modern circumscription of Acacia
>> is
>> > adopted, then the name Senegalia modesta would be correct.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, lists such as The Plant List (or GRIN) don't give out
>> such
>> > underlying information. This is a regrettable limitation, but it comes
>> with
>> > the format chosen.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Gurcharan Singh" <singhg45 at gmail.com>
>> > To: <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:57 PM
>> > Subject: [Taxacom] Which is accepted name Acacia modesta Wall. or
>> > Senegalia modesta (Wall.) P. J. H. Hutter
>> >
>> >
>> > > Dear members
>> > > Perhaps you can help me in knowing the accepted name
>> > >
>> > > GRIN is straight forward Senegalia modesta (Wall.) P. J. H. Hutter as
>> > > accepted name and Acacia modesta Wall. as synonym.
>> > >
>> > > The Plant List considers both as accepted names
>> > >
>> > > A. modesta Wall. as accepted name with two synonyms A. dumosa Roxb.
>> and
>> > A.
>> > > obovata Roxb.
>> > >
>> > > Senegalia modesta (Wall.) P. J. H. Hutter as accepted name, basionym
>> > > again ignored for no assigned reasons.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh
>> > > Retired  Associate Professor
>> > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
>> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
>> > > Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
>> > > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/
>> > > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>> >
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