[Taxacom] are journal-ranking algorithms code-compliant?

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Tue Apr 14 23:25:01 CDT 2015


Sounds like a case of the uncited leading the uncited! :)

Stephen

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On Wed, 15/4/15, Gerwin Kasperek <sls2411 at ub.uni-frankfurt.de> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] are journal-ranking algorithms code-compliant?
 To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
 Received: Wednesday, 15 April, 2015, 5:18 PM
 
 
 Quoting
 Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>:
 > It would be completely pointless to treat
 name authorities as  
 > citations! For
 one thing, certain Turks would rub their hands with  
 > glee at the prospect of all those
 citations for renaming homonyms!  
 > For
 another thing, it makes no more sense than to cite the
 person  
 > who first coined any term
 used in the article, or a person who  
 >
 helped to invent any concept used therein. Should we cite
 Linnaeus  
 > every time we use the
 Linnean system of naming? Should we cite  
 > Hennig every time a cladistic concept is
 used? Should we cite Thomas  
 > Edison
 if we mention a light bulb?
 > Stephen
 
 
 Eugene
 Garfield, inventor of the impact factor, wrote some
 interesting  
 papers on what he called
 uncitedness. He saw three forms of uncitedness:
 uncitedness I: publications too irrelevant or
 lousy
 uncitedness II: publications
 overlooked by later authors
 uncitedness III:
 "It is an uncitedness of distinction that comes to 
 
 those whose work has become so well known
 (and presumably been  
 previously so
 heavily cited) that one finds it at first tedious, then 
 
 unnecessary, and finally actually gauche to
 cite such men at all." (E.  
 Garfield,
 Essays of an Information Scientist 1: 413-414, 1973)
 
 Obviously, Garfield did not
 recognise uncitedness of taxonomic  
 authors, else he would have considered this to
 be form no. IV. Most  
 cases of uncitedness
 of taxonomic authors do not seem to fit any of  
 the three forms described (although a minority
 might be refered to  
 form III).
 
 Regards
 Gerwin
 Kasperek
 
 
 >
 --------------------------------------------
 > On Wed, 15/4/15, Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject:
 RE: [Taxacom] are journal-ranking algorithms
 code-compliant?
 >  To: "mivie at montana.edu"
 <mivie at montana.edu>, 
 
 > "deepreef at bishopmuseum.org"
 <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>,
 "'Dan  
 > Lahr'"
 <dlahr at ib.usp.br>,
 "'Stephen Thorpe'"  
 >
 <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 >  Cc: "'TAXACOM'" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
 "penev at pensoft.net" 
 
 > <penev at pensoft.net>
 >  Received: Wednesday, 15 April, 2015,
 9:44 AM
 >
 >  It
 doesn't help the
 >  impact factor,
 but it helps citation counts of authors (i.e.
 >  us taxonomists). So it would be good for
 our metrics rather
 >  than for the
 journals' metrics.
 >  Frank
 >
 >
 >  Dr. Frank-T.
 > 
 Krell
 >  Curator of Entomology
 >  Commissioner, International Commission
 on
 >  Zoological Nomenclature
 >  Chair, ICZN ZooBank
 >  Committee
 > 
 Department of Zoology
 >  Denver Museum
 of Nature & Science
 >  2001 Colorado
 Boulevard
 >  Denver, CO 80205-5798
 USA
 >  Frank.Krell at dmns.org
 >
 >  Phone: (+1) (303)
 370-8244
 >  Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492
 >  http://www.dmns.org/science/museum-scientists/frank-krell
 >  lab page: http://www.dmns.org/krell-lab
 >
 >  The Denver Museum
 of Nature
 >  & Science aspires to
 create a community of critical
 > 
 thinkers who understand the lessons of the past and act
 as
 >  responsible stewards of the
 future.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >  -----Original Message-----
 >  From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
 >  On Behalf Of Michael A. Ivie
 >  Sent: Tuesday,
 > 
 April 14, 2015 2:39 PM
 >  To: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org;
 >  'Dan Lahr'; 'Stephen
 Thorpe'
 >  Cc: 'TAXACOM'; penev at pensoft.net
 >  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] are
 journal-ranking
 >  algorithms
 code-compliant?
 >
 > 
 If anyone is thinking that citing the paper is
 >  going to help impact factors, think
 again, as only the
 >  citations in the
 first 2  years post publication are
 > 
 counted.  The half-life of a taxonomic paper may be 50
 >  years, but that does not matter.
 >
 >  Mike
 >
 >  On
 >  4/14/2015 2:35 PM, Richard Pyle
 wrote:
 >  >
 >  I
 have always treated name authorities as citations (i.e.,
 >  included the full literature citation in
 the
 >  bibliography).  In the days when
 paper-based publication
 >  dominated and
 every character on the printed page was
 >  precious, editors would push back. 
 Now, there doesn't
 >  seem to be as
 much (if any) resistance.
 >  >
 >  > Aloha,
 >  >
 Rich
 >  >
 > 
 >> -----Original Message-----
 > 
 >> From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
 >  On Behalf
 > 
 >> Of Dan Lahr
 >  >> Sent:
 Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:56
 >  AM
 >  >> To: Stephen Thorpe
 >  >> Cc: TAXACOM; penev at pensoft.net
 >  >> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] are
 >  journal-ranking algorithms
 code-compliant?
 >  >>
 >  >> Hi all,
 > 
 >>
 >  >> This
 >  discussion has brought back an issue
 that I often wondered
 >  about.
 >  >>
 > 
 >>
 >  Assume that the authority
 placed after a name, besides being
 > 
 metadata
 >  >> that objectively
 >  establishes unambiguous taxon identity,
 is ALSO a
 >  citation.
 >  >> This should actually mean
 >  that taxonomic descriptions are in fact
 highly cited.
 >  >>
 >  >> Perhaps it is
 >  easier to start actually adding
 authority citations in
 >  >> the
 references list.  This would
 > 
 certainly increase IF, not to
 > 
 >>
 >  mention it may increase
 objectivity in some works. I am not
 > 
 entirely
 >  >> sure what the
 down-side
 >  to doing this would be.
 >  >>
 >  >>
 best,
 >  >>
 > 
 >> dan
 >  >>
 >  >>
 __________________________________
 > 
 >> Daniel J. G. Lahr
 >  >>
 PhD, Assist. Prof.
 >  >> Dept of
 Zoology, Univ. of Sao Paulo,
 >  Brazil
 Office number: + 55 (11)
 >  >>
 >  3091 0948 http://www.ib.usp.br/zoologia/lahr/
 >  >>
 > 
 >>
 >  >> On Mon, Apr 13,
 2015 at 10:08 PM,
 >  Stephen Thorpe
 >  >> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
 >  >>> wrote:
 >  >>> Doug Yanega said [Quote]So,
 if
 >  Zootaxa went from 25% of all names
 to
 >  >>> 100%,
 ...?[Unquote]
 >  >>>
 >  >>> It
 > 
 might not look too good if the ICZN ever tried to declare
 >  Zootaxa
 > 
 >>> as the sole valid
 > 
 journal for zoological nomenclature, since it is
 >  >>> privately owned by an
 ICZN
 >  commissioner. Even if he sold
 it
 >  >>> beforehand, its
 market value would
 >  be greatly
 increased if this were
 >  >>>
 known
 >  >> to
 >  be in the pipeline.
 >  >>> At least it
 >  would solve the problem that the
 electronic amendment
 >  >>>
 seems to have been written with
 >  the
 Zootaxa publishing model firmly
 > 
 >>> in mind (and little or no thought
 >  given to other publishing models),
 >  >>> though one could perhaps
 see the
 >  whole thing as someone
 playing a
 >  >>> long game for
 personal gain.
 >  I'm not
 suggesting, of course, that
 > 
 >>> this is the case, but only that it
 >  might look that way.
 >  >>>
 > 
 >>> Also, the microbiology system is a
 >  bit pointless. It simply creates
 >  >>> two different systems of
 >  nomenclature, one just slightly more
 >  >>> "official" than
 the
 >  other. For most intents and
 purposes, candidatus
 >  >>>
 names are just fine as names for
 > 
 taxa, and their validation in IJSEM
 > 
 >>> adds nothing but a bureaucratic
 >  rubber stamp. I guess that there is
 >  >>> a bit of bureaucrat in
 every
 >  scientist, defines as making
 things
 >  >>> overly
 complicated for no
 >  practical gain.
 >  >>>
 > 
 >>> Stephen
 >  >>>
 >  >>>
 > 
 --------------------------------------------
 >  >>> On Tue, 14/4/15, Doug
 Yanega
 >  <dyanega at ucr.edu>
 >  wrote:
 > 
 >>>
 > 
 >>>   Subject: Re:
 > 
 [Taxacom] are journal-ranking algorithms code-compliant?
 >  >>>   To: "Roderic
 >  Page" <Roderic.Page at glasgow.ac.uk>,
 >  "TAXACOM" <
 >  >>> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 >  >>>   Received: Tuesday,
 14
 >  April, 2015, 1:18 PM
 >  >>>
 > 
 >>>   On 4/13/15 4:44
 > 
 PM,
 >  >>>   Roderic Page
 >  wrote:
 > 
 >>>   > Hi
 >  Doug,
 >  >>>   >
 >  >>>   > Alas that’s
 >  not how
 > 
 >>>   impact
 >  factor
 works. It’s a function of both the  > number of
 >
 >  >>>
 articles published by a
 >  journal, 
 and the number of  > citations,
 > 
 >>> see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_factor
 >  >>>   >
 >  >>>   > Given that
 >  most
 > 
 >>>   taxonomic
 >  work is
 likely to few citations (certainly  > over the
 >
 >  >>>
 two-year period typically
 >  used  when
 calculating impact  > factor).
 > 
 >>>   Consider Zootaxa, far
 >  and away the largest journal in 
 >
 >  >>> zoological
 taxonomy. In 2013
 >  approximately  a
 quarter of all
 >  >>>
 published  > animal names were
 > 
 published in Zootaxa, but its impact
 > 
 >>> factor in  the  > same year
 >  was 1.060  >
 > 
 >>> http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/support/impactfactor.htm
 >  >>>   >
 >  >>>   > A mega journal
 >  for
 > 
 >>>   taxonomy is
 >  pretty
 much exactly the wrong strategy  > to maximise
 >
 >  >>> impact
 factor.
 >  >>>   >
 >  >>>   So, if Zootaxa went
 >  from
 > 
 >>>   25% of all
 >  names to
 100%, you're saying that  its impact factor
 >
 >  >>> would
 DECREASE?
 >  >>>
 >  >>>   Also, while I see
 >  your point
 > 
 >>>   in
 >  terms of the
 status quo, are you not  among the people
 >  >>> advocating that
 scientific  names
 >  that are
 digitally  published get
 > 
 >>> automatically linked back to their
 >  original publications?
 >  >>>
 > 
 >>>   If this becomes
 > 
 common practice, will that  not mean that every
 >  >>> time a  scientific name 
 appears
 >  in print, it will
 *automatically*
 >  >>> create a
 trackable, quantifiable
 >  citation
 event? This is  more a
 >  >>>
 matter of how people track 
 > 
 citations, and is *also* presumably
 > 
 >>> subject to change as technology
 >  evolves. I admit that I assume it 
 >  >>> will change to our
 advantage, and
 >  in  precisely this
 way. Do you not see this happening?
 > 
 >>>
 > 
 >>>   Sincerely,
 > 
 >>>
 >  >>>   --
 >  >>>
 > 
 >>>   Doug Yanega     
 > 
 Dept. of Entomology
 >  >>>   
    
 >  Entomology Research Museum
 >  >>>   Univ. of
 California,
 >  Riverside, CA
 92521-0314
 >  >>>   
 >    skype: dyanega
 > 
 >>>   phone: (951)
 > 
 >>>   827-4315 (disclaimer:
 >  opinions are mine, not UCR's)
 >  >>>             
 >     http://cache.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
 >  >>>      "There are
 some
 >  enterprises
 >  >>>   in
 >  which a careful disorderliness
 >  >>>
 > 
 >>>   
 >    is the true
 method" - Herman Melville,  Moby Dick,
 >  Chap. 82
 > 
 >>>
 > 
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