[Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to disregard it now

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Wed Apr 29 19:19:42 CDT 2015


Only once actually Mike, as I recall! How many times has Scott Thomson been heavily involved in dispute with others? Perhaps you don't know this, Mike, but there are people out there who take pleasure from obstructing and devaluing the well meaning contributions of others, particularly if these contributions are on a larger scale than they are capable of. Perhaps you are one of these people?? At any rate, I was only "reporting" the facts that there has been a big upheaval at Wikispecies, and that, in my opinion as someone who knows a thing or two about nomenclature and taxonomy, the result is a slide downhill in reliability of information. That's all. I'm not asking for your help, Mike. You are pretty much the last person I would come to for that. From a personal point of view, my block from WS is actually a good thing. I was wasting too much time there. My time can be much better spent building up other sites -sites free of Wikimedia politics.
 Neverthless, I thought that recent events at WS were worth at least a few lines on Taxacom. It is at least informative to see who replies and what line they take! I have now crossed you off my "Xmas card list". have a nice day...

Stephen

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On Thu, 30/4/15, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to disregard it now
 To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
 Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2015, 11:49 AM
 
 Stephen,
 
 Please remind me, because over
 the years I have lost count, but how many 
 times have you come to us to report that you
 have been excluded, 
 removed, banned and had
 your input disregarded unfairly? It must be very 
 hard to be so terribly abused. Perhaps a calm
 reflective moment might be 
 a good thing,
 during which you consider Scott Thomson's request.
 
 Mike
 
 On 4/29/2015 5:19 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
 > I was waiting for your response, Scott,
 since you are one of the major players in the dispute, i.e.
 your hands are dirty! You can turn it into an ad hominem
 argument against me if you wish, but it doesn't change
 the facts of what I said, namely that Wikispecies is no
 longer a reliable site, and should be diregarded. Now you
 can go back to your Wikispecies agenda of trying to rewrite
 the history of reptile taxonomy.
 >
 > Stephen
 >
 >
 --------------------------------------------
 > On Thu, 30/4/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >   Subject: Re: [Taxacom]
 Wikispecies has gone to the dogs,    best to disregard it
 now
 >   To: "JF
 Mate" <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
 >   Cc: "Taxacom"
 <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 >   Received: Thursday, 30 April,
 2015, 11:14 AM
 >   
 >   I did not relise this had
 >   been crossposted to Taxacom
 as well as ICZN
 >   List.. My
 response over there was:
 >   
 >   --------------------------------
 >   Stephen that is low,
 Wikimedia cannot defend
 >   themselves here and you
 have
 >   cherry picked
 >   one item that agrees with
 your statement. I am not going
 >   to
 >   argue with you here, since it
 is not the
 >   ICZN lists
 business, however if
 >   you
 are
 >   going to say you have
 been blocked maybe you should say why
 >   you
 >   have been permanently banned
 from the
 >   English Wikipedia
 and Wikispecies and
 >   are
 on
 >   blocks for Meta-Wiki
 and Wiki Commons. Thats 4 sites, in my
 >   8 years
 >   as an editor in Wikimedia
 although I
 >   am sure there
 are others, and worse, I
 >   personally have not seen
 anyone else get a ban
 >   like
 that so quickly. Your
 >   hatred of
 >   wikimedia is very evident in
 what you have said in recent
 >   times,
 >   it extends clearly from the
 treatment
 >   you received.
 Hence anything you say
 >   anywhere on Wikispecies or
 any other Wikimedia
 >   Project needs to be taken
 >   with a grain of
 >   salt and is clearly dipped in
 acid. I have told you
 >   before
 >   you need to let this go for a
 while,
 >   let it calm down. I
 even said I would
 >   propose
 the removal of the bans, but you have
 >   to stop and let it go and
 fix
 >   the damage
 >   first.
 >   
 >   Now please, let it
 >   go this is not the forum for
 it.
 >   -------------------------------------
 >   
 >   In response to Jason, it is
 a
 >   playground fight. I was
 not involved in it,
 >   made
 sure I stayed out of it, but I have had to
 >   watch it. Not pretty.
 >   
 >   Cheers, Scott
 >   
 >   On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:19
 PM, JF Mate <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
 >   wrote:
 >   
 >   > Maybe you
 >   should copy and paste the
 actual example/s as succintly
 >   as
 >   > possible. Otherwise it
 just looks
 >   like a
 playground fight.
 >   >
 >   > Jason
 >   > On 30/04/2015
 >   8:03 AM, "Stephen
 Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 >   > wrote:
 >   >
 >   > > There has been a
 "military
 >   takeover" of
 Wikispecies, by people who know
 >   > > not what they are
 doing (see, for
 >   example,
 this article
 >   > > http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Austrophthiracarus_longisetosus
 >   in
 >   > > which homonymy has
 been
 >   confused with
 synonymy!) I have been excluded and
 >   > > blocked from
 editing the site in
 >   future. The following
 comment, posted by
 >   >
 > another editor who is alarmed by what
 >   is happening (please excuse
 his
 >   > >
 >   English) is illustrative of
 the current situation, so I copy
 >   it below
 >   > from
 >   > >
 >   the Wikispecies Village
 Pump:
 >   > >
 >   > > Reducing time for
 working at
 >   Wikispecies
 >   > >
 >   >
 >   > At Wikispecies about 2
 million taxon pages are missing.
 >   Instead of really
 >   > > contributing to
 >   Wikispecies, that is adding
 new pages, there is a playing
 >   > > around with an AWB
 and modifying or
 >   deleting
 things that do no harm, like
 >   >
 >   > the double square
 brackets of taxon names on hundreds
 >   of thousand pages.
 >   > > And proudly is
 >   told of
 "contributions". That are no
 >   contributions. There
 >   > is
 >   > > nothing
 professional in it.
 >   Wikispecies is the only Wiki
 that expects to
 >   > >
 have users from the scientific
 >   community. Observing what is
 done at
 >   >
 >   > present, will not
 attract such users. It will lead to a
 >   number of closed
 >   > > Wikis for groups
 >   of organisms, as first ones
 are already existing, so
 >   > that
 >   > > such
 >   unprofessional actions are
 not possible.
 >   > >
 I'll considerably reduce my
 >   working time here under the
 present
 >   >
 >   > circumstances. Kempf EK
 (talk) 16:18, 28 April 2015
 >   (UTC)
 >   > >
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