[Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to disregard it now

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Wed Apr 29 20:16:53 CDT 2015


Well I did actually give you one example! One long time editor who, barely speaks English, and who has just been promoted to admin status, doesn't know the difference between a synonym and a homonym, and nobody is reviewing his edits. http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Austrophthiracarus_longisetosus

Stephen

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On Thu, 30/4/15, JF Mate <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs,	best to disregard it now
 To: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2015, 12:56 PM
 
 To be honest I really
 don´t care for the fight. I only care to know
 what it is meant by Wikispecies not being
 reliable. If somebody can
 just give us the
 facts that would be OK. Otherwise we can bury the
 thread here and now.
 
 Jason
 
 On 30
 April 2015 at 01:19, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 wrote:
 > I was waiting for your response,
 Scott, since you are one of the major players in the
 dispute, i.e. your hands are dirty! You can turn it into an
 ad hominem argument against me if you wish, but it
 doesn't change the facts of what I said, namely that
 Wikispecies is no longer a reliable site, and should be
 diregarded. Now you can go back to your Wikispecies agenda
 of trying to rewrite the history of reptile taxonomy.
 >
 > Stephen
 >
 >
 --------------------------------------------
 > On Thu, 30/4/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject:
 Re: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs,   
    best to disregard it now
 >  To: "JF Mate" <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
 >  Cc: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 >  Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2015,
 11:14 AM
 >
 >  I did
 not relise this had
 >  been crossposted
 to Taxacom as well as ICZN
 >  List.. My
 response over there was:
 >
 >  --------------------------------
 >  Stephen that is low, Wikimedia cannot
 defend
 >  themselves here and you
 have
 >  cherry picked
 >  one item that agrees with your
 statement. I am not going
 >  to
 >  argue with you here, since it is not
 the
 >  ICZN lists business, however
 if
 >  you are
 > 
 going to say you have been blocked maybe you should say
 why
 >  you
 >  have
 been permanently banned from the
 > 
 English Wikipedia and Wikispecies and
 > 
 are on
 >  blocks for Meta-Wiki and Wiki
 Commons. Thats 4 sites, in my
 >  8
 years
 >  as an editor in Wikimedia
 although I
 >  am sure there are others,
 and worse, I
 >  personally have not seen
 anyone else get a ban
 >  like that so
 quickly. Your
 >  hatred of
 >  wikimedia is very evident in what you
 have said in recent
 >  times,
 >  it extends clearly from the treatment
 >  you received. Hence anything you say
 >  anywhere on Wikispecies or any other
 Wikimedia
 >  Project needs to be
 taken
 >  with a grain of
 >  salt and is clearly dipped in acid. I
 have told you
 >  before
 >  you need to let this go for a while,
 >  let it calm down. I even said I would
 >  propose the removal of the bans, but you
 have
 >  to stop and let it go and fix
 >  the damage
 > 
 first.
 >
 >  Now
 please, let it
 >  go this is not the
 forum for it.
 > 
 -------------------------------------
 >
 >  In response to
 Jason, it is a
 >  playground fight. I
 was not involved in it,
 >  made sure I
 stayed out of it, but I have had to
 > 
 watch it. Not pretty.
 >
 >  Cheers, Scott
 >
 >  On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:19 PM, JF Mate
 <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
 >  wrote:
 >
 >  > Maybe you
 > 
 should copy and paste the actual example/s as succintly
 >  as
 >  > possible.
 Otherwise it just looks
 >  like a
 playground fight.
 >  >
 >  > Jason
 >  >
 On 30/04/2015
 >  8:03 AM, "Stephen
 Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 >  > wrote:
 > 
 >
 >  > > There has been a
 "military
 >  takeover" of
 Wikispecies, by people who know
 >  >
 > not what they are doing (see, for
 >  example, this article
 >  > > http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Austrophthiracarus_longisetosus
 >  in
 >  > >
 which homonymy has been
 >  confused with
 synonymy!) I have been excluded and
 > 
 > > blocked from editing the site in
 >  future. The following comment, posted
 by
 >  > > another editor who is
 alarmed by what
 >  is happening (please
 excuse his
 >  > >
 >  English) is illustrative of the current
 situation, so I copy
 >  it below
 >  > from
 >  >
 >
 >  the Wikispecies Village Pump:
 >  > >
 >  >
 > Reducing time for working at
 > 
 Wikispecies
 >  > >
 >  >
 >  > At
 Wikispecies about 2 million taxon pages are missing.
 >  Instead of really
 > 
 > > contributing to
 > 
 Wikispecies, that is adding new pages, there is a playing
 >  > > around with an AWB and
 modifying or
 >  deleting things that do
 no harm, like
 >  >
 >  > the double square brackets of taxon
 names on hundreds
 >  of thousand
 pages.
 >  > > And proudly is
 >  told of "contributions". That
 are no
 >  contributions. There
 >  > is
 >  > >
 nothing professional in it.
 > 
 Wikispecies is the only Wiki that expects to
 >  > > have users from the
 scientific
 >  community. Observing what
 is done at
 >  >
 >  > present, will not attract such
 users. It will lead to a
 >  number of
 closed
 >  > > Wikis for groups
 >  of organisms, as first ones are already
 existing, so
 >  > that
 >  > > such
 > 
 unprofessional actions are not possible.
 >  > > I'll considerably reduce
 my
 >  working time here under the
 present
 >  >
 > 
 > circumstances. Kempf EK (talk) 16:18, 28 April 2015
 >  (UTC)
 >  >
 >
 > 
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