[Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to disregard it now

Scott Thomson scott.thomson321 at gmail.com
Wed Apr 29 21:00:15 CDT 2015


I would say your correct on that one Stephen, I will let him know.

Cheers, Scott

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:16 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
> wrote:

> Well I did actually give you one example! One long time editor who, barely
> speaks English, and who has just been promoted to admin status, doesn't
> know the difference between a synonym and a homonym, and nobody is
> reviewing his edits.
> http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Austrophthiracarus_longisetosus
>
> Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 30/4/15, JF Mate <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs,       best to
> disregard it now
>  To: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2015, 12:56 PM
>
>  To be honest I really
>  don´t care for the fight. I only care to know
>  what it is meant by Wikispecies not being
>  reliable. If somebody can
>  just give us the
>  facts that would be OK. Otherwise we can bury the
>  thread here and now.
>
>  Jason
>
>  On 30
>  April 2015 at 01:19, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>  wrote:
>  > I was waiting for your response,
>  Scott, since you are one of the major players in the
>  dispute, i.e. your hands are dirty! You can turn it into an
>  ad hominem argument against me if you wish, but it
>  doesn't change the facts of what I said, namely that
>  Wikispecies is no longer a reliable site, and should be
>  diregarded. Now you can go back to your Wikispecies agenda
>  of trying to rewrite the history of reptile taxonomy.
>  >
>  > Stephen
>  >
>  >
>  --------------------------------------------
>  > On Thu, 30/4/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >  Subject:
>  Re: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs,
>     best to disregard it now
>  >  To: "JF Mate" <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
>  >  Cc: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  >  Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2015,
>  11:14 AM
>  >
>  >  I did
>  not relise this had
>  >  been crossposted
>  to Taxacom as well as ICZN
>  >  List.. My
>  response over there was:
>  >
>  >  --------------------------------
>  >  Stephen that is low, Wikimedia cannot
>  defend
>  >  themselves here and you
>  have
>  >  cherry picked
>  >  one item that agrees with your
>  statement. I am not going
>  >  to
>  >  argue with you here, since it is not
>  the
>  >  ICZN lists business, however
>  if
>  >  you are
>  >
>  going to say you have been blocked maybe you should say
>  why
>  >  you
>  >  have
>  been permanently banned from the
>  >
>  English Wikipedia and Wikispecies and
>  >
>  are on
>  >  blocks for Meta-Wiki and Wiki
>  Commons. Thats 4 sites, in my
>  >  8
>  years
>  >  as an editor in Wikimedia
>  although I
>  >  am sure there are others,
>  and worse, I
>  >  personally have not seen
>  anyone else get a ban
>  >  like that so
>  quickly. Your
>  >  hatred of
>  >  wikimedia is very evident in what you
>  have said in recent
>  >  times,
>  >  it extends clearly from the treatment
>  >  you received. Hence anything you say
>  >  anywhere on Wikispecies or any other
>  Wikimedia
>  >  Project needs to be
>  taken
>  >  with a grain of
>  >  salt and is clearly dipped in acid. I
>  have told you
>  >  before
>  >  you need to let this go for a while,
>  >  let it calm down. I even said I would
>  >  propose the removal of the bans, but you
>  have
>  >  to stop and let it go and fix
>  >  the damage
>  >
>  first.
>  >
>  >  Now
>  please, let it
>  >  go this is not the
>  forum for it.
>  >
>  -------------------------------------
>  >
>  >  In response to
>  Jason, it is a
>  >  playground fight. I
>  was not involved in it,
>  >  made sure I
>  stayed out of it, but I have had to
>  >
>  watch it. Not pretty.
>  >
>  >  Cheers, Scott
>  >
>  >  On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:19 PM, JF Mate
>  <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
>  >  wrote:
>  >
>  >  > Maybe you
>  >
>  should copy and paste the actual example/s as succintly
>  >  as
>  >  > possible.
>  Otherwise it just looks
>  >  like a
>  playground fight.
>  >  >
>  >  > Jason
>  >  >
>  On 30/04/2015
>  >  8:03 AM, "Stephen
>  Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>  >  > wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >  > > There has been a
>  "military
>  >  takeover" of
>  Wikispecies, by people who know
>  >  >
>  > not what they are doing (see, for
>  >  example, this article
>  >  > > http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Austrophthiracarus_longisetosus
>  >  in
>  >  > >
>  which homonymy has been
>  >  confused with
>  synonymy!) I have been excluded and
>  >
>  > > blocked from editing the site in
>  >  future. The following comment, posted
>  by
>  >  > > another editor who is
>  alarmed by what
>  >  is happening (please
>  excuse his
>  >  > >
>  >  English) is illustrative of the current
>  situation, so I copy
>  >  it below
>  >  > from
>  >  >
>  >
>  >  the Wikispecies Village Pump:
>  >  > >
>  >  >
>  > Reducing time for working at
>  >
>  Wikispecies
>  >  > >
>  >  >
>  >  > At
>  Wikispecies about 2 million taxon pages are missing.
>  >  Instead of really
>  >
>  > > contributing to
>  >
>  Wikispecies, that is adding new pages, there is a playing
>  >  > > around with an AWB and
>  modifying or
>  >  deleting things that do
>  no harm, like
>  >  >
>  >  > the double square brackets of taxon
>  names on hundreds
>  >  of thousand
>  pages.
>  >  > > And proudly is
>  >  told of "contributions". That
>  are no
>  >  contributions. There
>  >  > is
>  >  > >
>  nothing professional in it.
>  >
>  Wikispecies is the only Wiki that expects to
>  >  > > have users from the
>  scientific
>  >  community. Observing what
>  is done at
>  >  >
>  >  > present, will not attract such
>  users. It will lead to a
>  >  number of
>  closed
>  >  > > Wikis for groups
>  >  of organisms, as first ones are already
>  existing, so
>  >  > that
>  >  > > such
>  >
>  unprofessional actions are not possible.
>  >  > > I'll considerably reduce
>  my
>  >  working time here under the
>  present
>  >  >
>  >
>  > circumstances. Kempf EK (talk) 16:18, 28 April 2015
>  >  (UTC)
>  >  >
>  >
>  >
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