[Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to disregard it now

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Wed Apr 29 21:23:13 CDT 2015


Scott, this is precisely the sort of control over a Wikimedia site that nobody, least of all you, should have. Anyone should be able to correct the mistake by PeterR, without having to first "seek approval". You might well get this particular example sorted out (though you don't appear to have done anything as yet), but would you be so objective if I were to point out that Wollumbinia has priority over Myuchelys? I think not. But it is cool - you can have control over an irrelevant Wikimedia side project that you yourself told me that Jimmy Wales thought had been taken down years ago. I doubt that your activities will have any real influence on anything.

Stephen

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On Thu, 30/4/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to disregard it now
 To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 Cc: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, "JF Mate" <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
 Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2015, 2:00 PM
 
 I
 would say your correct on that one Stephen, I will let him
 know.
 
 Cheers,
 Scott
 
 On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at
 10:16 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 wrote:
 Well I
 did actually give you one example! One long time editor who,
 barely speaks English, and who has just been promoted to
 admin status, doesn't know the difference between a
 synonym and a homonym, and nobody is reviewing his edits. http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Austrophthiracarus_longisetosus
 
 
 
 Stephen
 
 
 
 --------------------------------------------
 
 On Thu, 30/4/15, JF Mate <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 
 
 
  Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, 
      best to disregard it now
 
  To: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 
  Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2015, 12:56 PM
 
 
 
  To be honest I really
 
  don´t care for the fight. I only care to know
 
  what it is meant by Wikispecies not being
 
  reliable. If somebody can
 
  just give us the
 
  facts that would be OK. Otherwise we can bury the
 
  thread here and now.
 
 
 
  Jason
 
 
 
  On 30
 
  April 2015 at 01:19, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 
  wrote:
 
  > I was waiting for your response,
 
  Scott, since you are one of the major players in the
 
  dispute, i.e. your hands are dirty! You can turn it into
 an
 
  ad hominem argument against me if you wish, but it
 
  doesn't change the facts of what I said, namely
 that
 
  Wikispecies is no longer a reliable site, and should be
 
  diregarded. Now you can go back to your Wikispecies
 agenda
 
  of trying to rewrite the history of reptile taxonomy.
 
  >
 
  > Stephen
 
  >
 
  >
 
  --------------------------------------------
 
  > On Thu, 30/4/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
 
  wrote:
 
  >
 
  >  Subject:
 
  Re: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs,   
 
     best to disregard it now
 
  >  To: "JF Mate" <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
 
  >  Cc: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 
  >  Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2015,
 
  11:14 AM
 
  >
 
  >  I did
 
  not relise this had
 
  >  been crossposted
 
  to Taxacom as well as ICZN
 
  >  List.. My
 
  response over there was:
 
  >
 
  >  --------------------------------
 
  >  Stephen that is low, Wikimedia cannot
 
  defend
 
  >  themselves here and you
 
  have
 
  >  cherry picked
 
  >  one item that agrees with your
 
  statement. I am not going
 
  >  to
 
  >  argue with you here, since it is not
 
  the
 
  >  ICZN lists business, however
 
  if
 
  >  you are
 
  > 
 
  going to say you have been blocked maybe you should say
 
  why
 
  >  you
 
  >  have
 
  been permanently banned from the
 
  > 
 
  English Wikipedia and Wikispecies and
 
  > 
 
  are on
 
  >  blocks for Meta-Wiki and Wiki
 
  Commons. Thats 4 sites, in my
 
  >  8
 
  years
 
  >  as an editor in Wikimedia
 
  although I
 
  >  am sure there are others,
 
  and worse, I
 
  >  personally have not seen
 
  anyone else get a ban
 
  >  like that so
 
  quickly. Your
 
  >  hatred of
 
  >  wikimedia is very evident in what you
 
  have said in recent
 
  >  times,
 
  >  it extends clearly from the treatment
 
  >  you received. Hence anything you say
 
  >  anywhere on Wikispecies or any other
 
  Wikimedia
 
  >  Project needs to be
 
  taken
 
  >  with a grain of
 
  >  salt and is clearly dipped in acid. I
 
  have told you
 
  >  before
 
  >  you need to let this go for a while,
 
  >  let it calm down. I even said I would
 
  >  propose the removal of the bans, but you
 
  have
 
  >  to stop and let it go and fix
 
  >  the damage
 
  > 
 
  first.
 
  >
 
  >  Now
 
  please, let it
 
  >  go this is not the
 
  forum for it.
 
  > 
 
  -------------------------------------
 
  >
 
  >  In response to
 
  Jason, it is a
 
  >  playground fight. I
 
  was not involved in it,
 
  >  made sure I
 
  stayed out of it, but I have had to
 
  > 
 
  watch it. Not pretty.
 
  >
 
  >  Cheers, Scott
 
  >
 
  >  On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:19 PM, JF Mate
 
  <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
 
  >  wrote:
 
  >
 
  >  > Maybe you
 
  > 
 
  should copy and paste the actual example/s as succintly
 
  >  as
 
  >  > possible.
 
  Otherwise it just looks
 
  >  like a
 
  playground fight.
 
  >  >
 
  >  > Jason
 
  >  >
 
  On 30/04/2015
 
  >  8:03 AM, "Stephen
 
  Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 
  >  > wrote:
 
  > 
 
  >
 
  >  > > There has been a
 
  "military
 
  >  takeover" of
 
  Wikispecies, by people who know
 
  >  >
 
  > not what they are doing (see, for
 
  >  example, this article
 
  >  > > http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Austrophthiracarus_longisetosus
 
  >  in
 
  >  > >
 
  which homonymy has been
 
  >  confused with
 
  synonymy!) I have been excluded and
 
  > 
 
  > > blocked from editing the site in
 
  >  future. The following comment, posted
 
  by
 
  >  > > another editor who is
 
  alarmed by what
 
  >  is happening (please
 
  excuse his
 
  >  > >
 
  >  English) is illustrative of the current
 
  situation, so I copy
 
  >  it below
 
  >  > from
 
  >  >
 
  >
 
  >  the Wikispecies Village Pump:
 
  >  > >
 
  >  >
 
  > Reducing time for working at
 
  > 
 
  Wikispecies
 
  >  > >
 
  >  >
 
  >  > At
 
  Wikispecies about 2 million taxon pages are missing.
 
  >  Instead of really
 
  > 
 
  > > contributing to
 
  > 
 
  Wikispecies, that is adding new pages, there is a
 playing
 
  >  > > around with an AWB and
 
  modifying or
 
  >  deleting things that do
 
  no harm, like
 
  >  >
 
  >  > the double square brackets of taxon
 
  names on hundreds
 
  >  of thousand
 
  pages.
 
  >  > > And proudly is
 
  >  told of "contributions". That
 
  are no
 
  >  contributions. There
 
  >  > is
 
  >  > >
 
  nothing professional in it.
 
  > 
 
  Wikispecies is the only Wiki that expects to
 
  >  > > have users from the
 
  scientific
 
  >  community. Observing what
 
  is done at
 
  >  >
 
  >  > present, will not attract such
 
  users. It will lead to a
 
  >  number of
 
  closed
 
  >  > > Wikis for groups
 
  >  of organisms, as first ones are already
 
  existing, so
 
  >  > that
 
  >  > > such
 
  > 
 
  unprofessional actions are not possible.
 
  >  > > I'll considerably reduce
 
  my
 
  >  working time here under the
 
  present
 
  >  >
 
  > 
 
  > circumstances. Kempf EK (talk) 16:18, 28 April
 2015
 
  >  (UTC)
 
  >  >
 
  >
 
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