[Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to disregard it now

Robin Leech releech at telus.net
Thu Apr 30 18:58:19 CDT 2015


Hi Gail, 
Some people have a bone to chew, while some have something to contribute.
Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Austen-Price
Sent: April-30-15 3:17 PM
To: Stephen Thorpe
Cc: Taxacom
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to disregard it now

Dear All

I don't usually comment on Taxacom, because as an early career researcher I do not feel that I have the expertise to add anything. However, I do learn a lot from the discussions that take place on this forum.

Is it possible that now is a good time to draw a line under these reoccurring disagreements? I'm interested in everyone's views, but sometimes we have to agree to disagree and look forward to new challenges, rather than reliving old arguments.

Please note that no offence is intended.

Kind regards,

Gail.

On 30 Apr 2015, at 22:00, Stephen Thorpe wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> It is indeed the same Wikispecies that had great potential to be a major biodiversity resource. Unfortunately, it has been spoiled by those who like to devalue and point fingers at others who are are trying to create a useful resource. Sound familiar??
> 
> Stephen
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 30/4/15, Mike Sadka <mike.sadka at nhm.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs,	best to disregard it now
> To: "'Stephen Thorpe'" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "JF Mate" 
> <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>, "Scott Thomson" 
> <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2015, 9:50 PM
> 
> Hi Stephen
> 
> Is this the same wikispecies
> you used to tell us all was the future of biodiversity IT ?
> 
> And by the way - you
> accuse others of ad hominem attacks, but your comments have been the 
> most barbed in this thread.
> 
> Cheerio, Mike
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
> On Behalf Of Stephen Thorpe
> Sent: 30 April
> 2015 00:20
> To: JF Mate; Scott Thomson
> Cc: Taxacom
> Subject: Re:
> [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs, best to disregard it now
> 
> I was
> waiting for your response, Scott, since you are one of the major 
> players in the dispute, i.e. your hands are dirty! You can turn it 
> into an ad hominem argument against me if you wish, but it doesn't 
> change the facts of what I said, namely that Wikispecies is no longer 
> a reliable site, and should be diregarded. Now you can go back to your 
> Wikispecies agenda of trying to rewrite the history of reptile 
> taxonomy.
> 
> Stephen
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 30/4/15, Scott Thomson <scott.thomson321 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>  Subject: Re:
> [Taxacom] Wikispecies has gone to the dogs,    best to
> disregard it now
>  To: "JF Mate"
> <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
>  Cc: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2015, 11:14 AM
> 
>  I did not relise this
> had
>  been crossposted to Taxacom as well as ICZN  List.. My response over 
> there was:
> 
> 
>  --------------------------------
>  Stephen that is low, Wikimedia cannot defend themselves here and you 
> have  cherry picked  one item that agrees with your statement. I am 
> not going  to  argue with you here, since it is not the  ICZN lists 
> business, however if  you are  going to say you have been blocked 
> maybe you should say why  you  have been permanently banned from the  
> English Wikipedia and Wikispecies and  are on blocks for Meta-Wiki and 
> Wiki Commons. Thats 4 sites, in my
>  8 years
>  as an editor in
> Wikimedia although I
>  am sure there are
> others, and worse, I
>  personally have not
> seen anyone else get a ban  like that so quickly. Your hatred of  
> wikimedia is very evident in what you have said in recent  times,  it 
> extends clearly from the treatment you received. Hence anything you 
> say  anywhere on Wikispecies or any other Wikimedia  Project needs to 
> be taken  with a grain of  salt and is clearly dipped in acid. I have 
> told you  before  you need to let this go for a while,  let it calm 
> down. I even said I would  propose the removal of the bans, but you 
> have  to stop and let it go and fix  the damage  first.
> 
>  Now please, let it
>  go this is
> not the forum for it.
> 
> -------------------------------------
> 
>  In response to Jason, it is a
> 
> playground fight. I was not involved in it,  made sure I stayed out of 
> it, but I have had to  watch it. Not pretty.
> 
>  Cheers, Scott
> 
>  On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:19
> PM, JF Mate <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
> 
>> 
> Maybe you
>  should copy and paste the actual
> example/s as succintly  as  > possible. Otherwise it just looks  like 
> a playground fight.
> 
>> 
>> Jason
>> On
> 30/04/2015
>  8:03 AM, "Stephen
> Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
> There has been a "military
> 
> takeover" of Wikispecies, by people who know  >
>> not what they are doing (see, for  example, this
> article  > > 
> http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Austrophthiracarus_longisetosus
>  in
>>> which homonymy
> has been
>  confused with synonymy!) I have
> been excluded and  > > blocked from editing the site in  future. The 
> following comment, posted by  > > another editor who is alarmed by 
> what  is happening (please excuse his  > >
>  English) is
> illustrative of the current situation, so I copy  it below  > from  > 
> >  the Wikispecies Village
> Pump:
>>> 
>>> 
> Reducing time for working at
>  Wikispecies
>>> 
>> 
>> At Wikispecies about 2 million taxon
> pages are missing.
>  Instead of really
>>> contributing to
> 
> Wikispecies, that is adding new pages, there is a playing
>>> around with an AWB and modifying or  deleting
> things that do no harm, like  >  > the double square brackets of taxon 
> names on hundreds  of thousand pages.
>>> And proudly is
>  told
> of "contributions". That are no
> 
> contributions. There
>> is
>>> nothing professional in it.
>  Wikispecies is the only Wiki that expects to
>>> have users from the scientific  community.
> Observing what is done at  >  > present, will not attract such users. 
> It will lead to a  number of closed
>>> Wikis for groups  of organisms, as first ones are
> already existing, so  > that  > > such unprofessional actions are not 
> possible.
> 
>>> I'll considerably reduce my
> 
> working time here under the present
>> 
>> circumstances. Kempf EK (talk) 16:18, 28
> April 2015
>  (UTC)
>> 
>> 
> 
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