[Taxacom] Herpetological Common Names

Robin Leech releech at telus.net
Sun Aug 2 14:14:52 CDT 2015


Hi Frank, 
Thanks indeed. Love your sense of humor on this one.
I am still chortling.
Robin

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From: Frank T. Krell [mailto:Frank.Krell at dmns.org] 
Sent: August-02-15 1:08 PM
To: Robin Leech; 'Fautin, Daphne G.'; 'Mary Barkworth'; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Herpetological Common Names

Yes, why use Pemphigus spyrothecae when we have the wonderful common name Blattstieldrehgallen-Pappelblattlaus? It's common somewhere at least, or not.
Frank


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-----Original Message-----
From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Robin Leech
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 12:28 PM
To: 'Fautin, Daphne G.'; 'Mary Barkworth'; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: [Taxacom] Herpetological Common Names

Hi Daphne, 

True, but also birch, aspen, dandelion, cranberry, strawberry, etc., without reference to a scientific name.  For the most part, scientific names for plants are used in technical articles just to make sure that there is no confusion about the species - as sometime (at least in the animal world) a common name may cover 2-3 species in different genera and families in different parts of the world, e.g., "robin".  

For things like Populus tremuloides and P. balsamifera, both scientific and common names are used, but in something like Dryas crenata, where there is ID confusion, I believe that common names are avoided.

But, regarding scientific names for birds, for example, many thousands of birders DO NOT use the scientific name, and, literally, have fits when the common name that has been used for years is either dropped or made to include what they had regarded as another species under another name.  The Slate-grey Junco is an example.

In checking around in Google, I found that in some cases, a particular species of spider may have as many as 4 common names in the same geographic region.  Part of what We and I are about is to resolve such problems, hence my question to the birders, the Herpetologists and generally to Taxonomists.

Robin

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From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Fautin, Daphne G.
Sent: August-02-15 12:06 PM
To: Mary Barkworth; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Herpetological Common Names

But people use scientific names for plants all the time -- especially gardeners.  So this obscurity seems to apply only to animals.


Daphne G. Fautin
Professor Emerita, University of Kansas

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From: Taxacom [taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] on behalf of Mary Barkworth [Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu]
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Herpetological Common Names

I am with Fred on this but the question was about establishing them. I suggest that students be required to memorize an use them in all their classes, with it being explained that J.Q. Public is incapable of learning unfamiliar names, at least not once they get to their teens. Then require all government agencies and their employees to use them and make the manufactured name more conspicuous in all books and documents. This will help ensure that scientific names are considered difficult, obscure, abstruse, a (pick your term) - fit only for people that live in ivory towers.

Mary
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