[Taxacom] Proofs for opinion

Walker, Ken kwalker at museum.vic.gov.au
Wed Jan 7 20:07:06 CST 2015


>the publication does not change when adding page numbers?

Excellent point Donat and thank you.

Many people get "hung up" on the non-paginated EV version which changes to a paginated final print version - if the journal has a printed run. When the ICZN removed the page priority rule, it made pagination "metadata" not "content". Therefore, the content does not change between the EV non- paginated and paginated final print. Of course, this "problem" only exists where a journal produces a printed version months after the EV version.

This is why it is so important to accept EV publications as valid. Imagine a student or worker has a paper accepted for publication but has to wait, for our Austral Entomology journal, over 120 days on average for the printed version to appear before the author can cite the paper in grants and on a CV.  As a student, finishing a degree and looking for a post-doc or a job, the wait in terrible.  Our EV version is out in less than 30 days.

Ken

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> On 8 Jan 2015, at 11:06 am, Donat Agosti <agosti at amnh.org> wrote:
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> The authors explain that from a formal publishing point of view (the publishers should be the one that define what a publication is and not the one who creates the content) the publication does not change when adding page numbers?
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> "Recommendations on Journal Article Versions which state clearly that the addition of bibliographical details, namely pagination and volume/issue number, are not part of the content of a paper and do not change the version of an article (NISO/ALPSP Journal Article Versions (JAV) Technical Working Group, 2008; Morgan 2008). If the content of the early electronic version is immutable, apart from bibliographical details, then this early electronic version is the Version of Record following NISO/ALPSP Recommendations:"
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> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhanced/doi/10.1111/syen.12119/
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> I can accept this
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> Donat
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> To: Stephen Thorpe; Taxacom; KenWalker
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Proofs for opinion
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> On Stardate 1/7/15 1:43 PM, Star Commander "Stephen Thorpe"
> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
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>> how can we verify that they were indeed validly published. Answer: ONLY
>> IF the EARLY VIEW version (PDF) has been archived and is accessible. As
>> far as I can tell, if anything at all gets archived, it is the final
>> paginated version. This could be a problem ...
>
> ***********
> That was the problem that came up in the discussions among a number of us that led to this paper. The early view is indeed a valid publication at the time it comes online (any clicking on the DOI leads you to the archived electronic early view). But apparently, the early view version gets trashed once the paginated journal version of the article comes out.
> If it is archived anywhere, I could not find it. Clicking on the same DOI [= archived version] goes directly to the paged version and not the early view publication.
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> One would think that "archiving" means permanence, but this is not so when the original archived version changes.
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> You should not be able to do a "bait and switch" in nomenclature.
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> -Neal
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