[Taxacom] Proofs for opinion

Walker, Ken kwalker at museum.vic.gov.au
Wed Jan 7 20:10:49 CST 2015


>Publishers don't like making mistakes, and sometimes try to hide them...

That why we need competent taxonomic subject editors or Chief Editors. It should not get to the publisher if it is not ICZN code compliant.

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> On 8 Jan 2015, at 11:34 am, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
>
> The problem, Donat, is that this is not formalised in the Code. I agree that it makes sense, and for pragmatic reasons I accept it, but there is still the problem of verification, i.e. that the publisher didn't try to "pull a fast one" by adding in a forgotten ZooBank LSID after the Early View version was first published online. Publishers don't like making mistakes, and sometimes try to hide them...
>
> Stephen
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 8/1/15, Donat Agosti <agosti at amnh.org> wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Proofs for opinion
> To: "Neal Evenhuis" <neale at bishopmuseum.org>, "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, "KenWalker" <kwalker at museum.vic.gov.au>
> Received: Thursday, 8 January, 2015, 1:06 PM
>
> The authors explain that
> from a formal publishing point of view (the publishers
> should be the one that define what a publication is and not
> the one who creates the content) the publication does not
> change when adding page numbers?
>
> "Recommendations on Journal Article
> Versions which state clearly that the addition of
> bibliographical details, namely pagination and volume/issue
> number, are not part of the content of a paper and do not
> change the version of an article (NISO/ALPSP Journal Article
> Versions (JAV) Technical Working Group, 2008; Morgan 2008).
> If the content of the early electronic version is immutable,
> apart from bibliographical details, then this early
> electronic version is the Version of Record following
> NISO/ALPSP Recommendations:"
>
> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhanced/doi/10.1111/syen.12119/
>
> I can accept this
>
> Donat
>
>
>
> -----Original
> Message-----
> From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
> On Behalf Of Neal Evenhuis
> Sent: Thursday,
> January 8, 2015 1:00 AM
> To: Stephen Thorpe;
> Taxacom; KenWalker
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom]
> Proofs for opinion
>
> On
> Stardate 1/7/15 1:43 PM, Star Commander "Stephen
> Thorpe"
> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
>> how can we
> verify that they were indeed validly published. Answer: ONLY
>
>> IF the EARLY VIEW version (PDF) has
> been archived and is accessible. As
>> far
> as I can tell, if anything at all gets archived, it is the
> final
>> paginated version. This could be
> a problem ...
>
> ***********
> That was the
> problem that came up in the discussions among a number of us
> that led to this paper. The early view is indeed a valid
> publication at the time it comes online (any clicking on the
> DOI leads you to the archived electronic early view). But
> apparently, the early view version gets trashed once the
> paginated journal version of the article comes out.
> If it is archived anywhere, I could not find
> it. Clicking on the same DOI [= archived version] goes
> directly to the paged version and not the early view
> publication.
>
> One would
> think that "archiving" means permanence, but this
> is not so when the original archived version changes.
>
> You should not be able to do a
> "bait and switch" in nomenclature.
>
> -Neal
>
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