[Taxacom] Proofs for opinion

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Wed Jan 7 20:34:39 CST 2015

>When the ICZN removed the page priority rule, it made pagination "metadata" not "content".<

No it didn't! Who dreamed that one up. Page priority has nothing whatsoever to do with content vs. metadata!


On Thu, 8/1/15, Walker, Ken <kwalker at museum.vic.gov.au> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Proofs for opinion
 To: "Donat Agosti" <agosti at amnh.org>
 Cc: "Neal Evenhuis" <neale at bishopmuseum.org>, "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, "Pete Cranston" <pscranston at gmail.com>
 Received: Thursday, 8 January, 2015, 3:07 PM
 >the publication does
 not change when adding page numbers?
 Excellent point Donat and thank you.
 Many people get "hung
 up" on the non-paginated EV version which changes to a
 paginated final print version - if the journal has a printed
 run. When the ICZN removed the page priority rule, it made
 pagination "metadata" not "content".
 Therefore, the content does not change between the EV non-
 paginated and paginated final print. Of course, this
 "problem" only exists where a journal produces a
 printed version months after the EV version.
 This is why it is so important
 to accept EV publications as valid. Imagine a student or
 worker has a paper accepted for publication but has to wait,
 for our Austral Entomology journal, over 120 days on average
 for the printed version to appear before the author can cite
 the paper in grants and on a CV.  As a student, finishing a
 degree and looking for a post-doc or a job, the wait in
 terrible.  Our EV version is out in less than 30 days.
 Sent from my iPad
 On 8 Jan 2015, at 11:06 am, Donat Agosti <agosti at amnh.org>
 > The authors
 explain that from a formal publishing point of view (the
 publishers should be the one that define what a publication
 is and not the one who creates the content) the publication
 does not change when adding page numbers?
 > "Recommendations
 on Journal Article Versions which state clearly that the
 addition of bibliographical details, namely pagination and
 volume/issue number, are not part of the content of a paper
 and do not change the version of an article (NISO/ALPSP
 Journal Article Versions (JAV) Technical Working Group,
 2008; Morgan 2008). If the content of the early electronic
 version is immutable, apart from bibliographical details,
 then this early electronic version is the Version of Record
 following NISO/ALPSP Recommendations:"
 > http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/enhanced/doi/10.1111/syen.12119/
 > I can accept this
 > Donat
 > -----Original
 > From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
 On Behalf Of Neal Evenhuis
 > Sent:
 Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:00 AM
 > To:
 Stephen Thorpe; Taxacom; KenWalker
 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Proofs for opinion
 > On Stardate 1/7/15
 1:43 PM, Star Commander "Stephen Thorpe"
 > <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 >> how can
 we verify that they were indeed validly published. Answer:
 >> IF the EARLY VIEW version
 (PDF) has been archived and is accessible. As
 >> far as I can tell, if anything at all
 gets archived, it is the final
 paginated version. This could be a problem ...
 > ***********
 > That was the problem that came up in the
 discussions among a number of us that led to this paper. The
 early view is indeed a valid publication at the time it
 comes online (any clicking on the DOI leads you to the
 archived electronic early view). But apparently, the early
 view version gets trashed once the paginated journal version
 of the article comes out.
 > If it is
 archived anywhere, I could not find it. Clicking on the same
 DOI [= archived version] goes directly to the paged version
 and not the early view publication.
 > One would think that "archiving"
 means permanence, but this is not so when the original
 archived version changes.
 > You should not be able to do a "bait
 and switch" in nomenclature.
 > -Neal
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